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And for this a lot of innocent civilians in Iraq and mislead U.S. soldiers lost their lifes in vain.

Moreover, a whole country has been brought to anarchy and makes the region more instable.
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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

And for this a lot of innocent civilians in Iraq and mislead U.S. soldiers lost their lifes in vain.

Moreover, a whole country has been brought to anarchy and makes the region more instable.
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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

"And for this a lot of innocent civilians in Iraq and mislead U.S. soldiers lost their lifes in vain."

Please don't pretend that you have ANY concern for either innocent Iraqi civilians, or US soldiers. You have no concern for innocent Iraqis who died at the hands of Saddam so don't start now! And it's too late now for a creep like you to act as if the death of a us soldier would be a sad thing. After all, they volunteered. Have the balls to state that the death of US soldiers makes you happy, you German POS! We know what you are all about!

"Moreover, a whole country has been brought to anarchy and makes the region more instable."

You are hideously brainwashed to think that Saddam's Iraq was "stable". You are a little punk!

Snake Feller

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... you should try to invalidate the assertions in the thread "40 lies". But that's hard to invalidate, isn't it?

There will be no further replies of mine to your future posts since a discussion requires a certain level that you are obviously lacking.

You should not display your poor upbringing in the public. You do a bad service to your country that you are representing here. Every halfway educated U.S. citizen must be ashamed of you!
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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

Then I'll ask in a civil matter since Snakefeller does have a point here. Why are you so concerned about Iraqi civilians dying yet you don't seem concerned about the civilians who died at the hands of Saddam and would still be dropping like flies if he were still in power? Just wanted to hear your thoughts on this.

According to a survey in 60 out of 124 of the biggest hospitals in Iraq 3240 civilians died because of the US attack.

The number of victims is surely much higher since only half of the hospitals was surveyd.

Saddam would have had much work to do until this figures are reached.
Boa constrictor

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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

Even if you are exaggerating (like you always do) the fact that only 3240 civilians died in the Iraqi war is a testament to the awsome job that George Bush and the US Soldiers have done. Bravo Bush! How come you haven't gone digging for the statistics on the innocent Iraqis killed by Saddam. How come creep? Hoe about it Stroeckl? Why don't you have those numbers? Maybe because you won't like the answer? Scared Stroeckl. Coward! Idiot! Jackass!

Snake Feller

Who did they survey, the terrorists, lol. You have cleverly avoided the questions...once again. You didn't respond to even one point I posed. What a suprise, lol!

Herman, perhaps, since you seem to be very knowledgable as to statistics concerning the war, perhaps you could share with us how the amount of lives lost in this war compares to ANY other war in ANY other country in this world's history. Thanks in advance for this info!

The survey was mady by Assosiated Press which is a reputable news agency.

Surveyed were only 60 out of 124 big hospitals. AND: I assume that most people don't bring ripped dead bodys into a hospital. That means in my most humble opinion that the real number of innocent victims is much more higher than in this statistic.

Or would you bring a dead relative of yours into the hospital when only parts of the body exists after a bombing? Surely not.

The father of your present president stopped the war because he had more brain than his son and he knews that wiping away Saddam would make the region only more unstable. That was the reason why he stopped the troops.

I am sure I get bashed for my following lines but this is my opinion:

The citizens of some countries are not matured for a democracy. Some countries can only be ruled and stabilized with a dictatorship. Without it chaos would reign. In my opinion most of the countries in the middle east fit this asessment.

So if you try to establish democracy in Iran your troops will be there until you either leave in shame because the number of dead US soldiers will not longer be tolerated by the US public (like in Vietnam) or until the US is vanished in 500 years or whatever.
Boa constrictor

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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

hey my offer still stands i have an empty bunk down here with you name on it herman, come on down and iterview the iraqis yourself. yes your so called innocent people are dying over here, casualties of war.

well lets look at this from a "front line" view point. Iraqis all have weapons, guns, knives, explosives...etc. when something happen good bad or indifferent in there life they point these weapons in the air and pull the trigger not thinking of the outcome...what goes up must come down. then take this FACT and lets say they do it beside soldiers who are patrolling. the soldiers not knowing where the gunshot is directing turns to see an iraqi pointing a rifle in the direction of other soldiers and shoots and kills the man with the rifle. is that wrong to you? to me its not. some people need to use common sense, if they are iraqi and not part of the security forces they do not need to carry weapons...simple as that.

you see you sit there and preach this is wrong and all you are basing it on is opinion of the media or someone elses website. come on down see for yourslef. why do you think the "human shields" arent here anymore. why arent they here, because they saw what was going on and the majority have changed there minds about this place. like i said come on down, you dont have to be a soldier, come on and volunteer to distribute food to the kids and stuff. stay her one month and i will assure you that you will change your mind.

and as for Snake Fellar, the dudes a little mental, but he is rather intelligent, he has got you all worked up herman. the dude makes me laugh. i have had funa rguements with him, just to see what he types. keep it up snake fellar you are my comic relief...poopy head.

well that is all from me for now. god bless you all

froggy
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

Rock & Roll Buddy!

Keep up the good work!

Snake Feller

Poopyhead, LOL! Herman would never do something that would jeopardize his ability to use second hand sources as a weapon in his campaign to belittle this country. He would prefer to relay the diarrhea that he reads in the papers than to know the truth. Just my opinion.

I think you have misunderstood me.
As a police officer I completely understand your situation. You are right: They must not carry guns and they must not shoot holes in the air when the feel like it.

I also understand that it is difficult for you to judge if they are going to shoot holes in the air or in an US soldier. I don't blame any US soldier for his/her reactions. They are there because they were ordered to go there and they have to do their best. I never blamed any US soldier, I blame the politicians who are almost all liars and swindlers.

What I tried to tell you is that you should have f***ing staid out of this place.

Iraq was not a threat to the US, but it was/is one of the places people from decent countries should not go to. Same as Kosovo.

You are in the wrong place. Do you think you can rule the arabs with democracy? Forget it.

My sympathy is with you and your comrades and the innocent victims of this war.
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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

"What I tried to tell you is that you should have f***ing staid out of this place. Iraq was not a threat to the US"

Mind your own business! We will decide who is or isn't a threat to us. 9/11 obviously had no impact on your wooden brain, but we have no problem seeing the connection between UBL and Saddam (wealthy terrorists who loved to chant "death to America). Your approval isn't welcome! You should have "f***ing staid" out of this discussion, but you insist on making moronic statements.

"You are in the wrong place."

Like I said, YOU ARE IN THE WRONG PLACE!

"Do you think you can rule the arabs with democracy? Forget it."

As long as a POS like you continues to root against any US Progress in Iraq, we know that we are on the right track. Go away communist creep!

Snake Feller

Why do you continue to ignore the issues in my post? Your statistics and accusations are becoming boring. How about submitting something a little more "solid"? How about answering my post for the third time. You must be taking "evasion" lessons from a certain other poster .

A scourge like Stroeckl is so hellbent on villifying Bush, and so brainwashed by his undesireable country's government, that facts that prove him wrong may be filtered out of his defective pea brain without his even knowing it. I'm sorry comrade Stroeckl, I may have been too hard on you and your dismal country. You apparently know not what you do, as you have been programmed with a predetermined mindset (I use "mindset" liberally in your case) to have the ability to focus only on fabricating negative thoughts about the US government. You are just an automaton and, therefore, you are not responsible for your actions. This perhaps is the reason why you will continue to refuse to acknowledge the high number of innocent Iraqis killed at the hands of Saddam himself.

You know not what you do pathetic child.

In the future, I'll at least make the attempt to filter out your preconceived notions, but I can't promise anything. Take care jackass!

Snake Feller

I think that you missed my point in the post, so I try it again:

Bad things happen in many countries all over the world. Just look at Central Africa where tribe feuds cost the life of hundreds of thousand people.

One can look at this in two different ways:

The one way is to say that this is an internal issue and do nothing except a lame protest.

The second way would be a military intervention to stop the cruelty.

But it is the peak of the hypocracy to be interested in the oil of a country and in the control of the region, then claiming there are weapons of mass destruction in order to have a reason for a war and after failing to find only a sole piece then back-paddling and tell the world is has been the objective to release the people from a cruel dictator.

In order that you really get the message and don't accuse me to be evasive I explain it third time:

If a dictator of a thirld world country decides to slaughter his citizens it is an awful thing. And if one of the advanced nations decides to stop it then it should be invited to do so by the United Nations AND/OR the citizens who suffer from their dictator.

I don't recall that you have been invited by either parties.

I don't recall that your government said you are going to have a war on Iraq because of the cruelty that happens there.

I recall bubbling about weapons of mass destruction.

I hope your question is answered.
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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

No, you didn't answer ANY of the points in my posts! Now I understand why Snakefeller treats you the way he does! You are by far the most delusional idiot on here. Every time I try to give you the benefit of the doubt, you make an A-hole out of yourself with your idiotic verbal diarrhea!!! I'm sick of hearing your crap about our motive for being in Iraq being "control of the region and the oil". Furthermore, we don't need a friggin' invitation from your idiot country or from candy-ass, "buk-bgawk" France! The UN agreed with the final deadline for Saddam to comply. He didn't! We took action. It was the UN who disregarded the rules they set forth. Not us! If you're going to respond to me with your elusive, evasive. BS posts without answering all the questions above, then zip it! I've just about had it with you lying, pompous, misinformed, hit& run, "non wantin' to answer the tough questions", ANTI-AMERICAN, Saddam sympathizing, terrorist supporting morons!!!!!! That goes for your absentee pal as well! Unless you are willing to SPECIFICALLY address each point in my above posts, don't bother with a "so-called" response. Goodbye!

One last point, since you decided to bring France into this. If it wasn't for France, we might not have had this war. The reason Saddam was so defiant was because he thought France and Germany would help him. Had you guys backed up our inspections in the end, they probably would have complied. Way to go guys!

And I tell you something: Bush wanted the war on Iraq at any price. No matter what would have happened the war was not avoidable as Bush is concerned.

Hans Blix, the chief inspector (he comes from Sweden, not from France and not from Germany) literally begged for more time and commended the cooperation of Saddam (the pressure of the US troops where the reason, of course).

The war was not necessary since there had not been such weapons. The UN inspectors found none and your troops found none.

And Bush is exposed as a liar. And you are agressors in the public perception of the world.

And why? Because you fu**ed up the whole thing. With a better and more honest justification the public perception would be way different.
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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

You are truly not worthy of response on these issues. You ignore the questions you can't answer much the way Herpco. does and what you do submit is Euro-trash garbage! You ignore any sensible comment made here and listen only to unfounded, paranoid crap. I will not give you the courtesy of responding to your Anti-American drivel any longer. Your posts are worthy of nothing more than the medicine Snakefeller dishes out to you. I think I've succeeded in showing everyone here your true colors. Goodbye numbskull!

As long as you continue to post here while denying your true agenda and your obvious resentment for Americans as well as avoiding questions that will surely compromise the integrity of your credibility and expose your hatred for us, I will always percieve you and Herpes as cowards.

The hit dog howls out loud!

I think this applies to your post. The truth is not popular, I know my friend.

The lies of your government are exposed. And the page who started this thread is not a German one and not a French one, it is located in the U.S.:

Entire contents ©2003, City Pages Media, Inc. 401 North Third Street, Suite 550, Minneapolis,

Thank God there are people also in the U.S. with a brain to think for.
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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

Herpes started this thread, not an article, braincell. And to answer your thread above (something you don't know how to do), no you didn't mention "France" specifically. You said the UN. Last time I checked, France was part of that pansy outfit.

And since the US is also a member of the UN it should heed the rules or terminate its membership.
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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

You mean that we should heed the rules like the rest of the UN? Here's a little "food for thought" for ya' Herman. I guess it's time to bring myself to your level and fight ignorance with ignorance!

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31552

Obey the UN's regulations...huh-whu?

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=31103

the massive weapon support of the US for Iraq until a shortly before the first war on Iraq.

As a matter of fact you fought against your own weapons in the first war on Iraq. Isn't it ironic?
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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

I thought we were discussing THIS war and the UN's role in it. YOU brought it up. Don't change the subject. Address the issue I've presented here like a man.

The fact is, you and Herpconsultants need this AMERICAN site and don't want to compromise what reputations you have by letting the people on the Boa forum see what Anti-Americans you really are. That would be incredibly detrimental to your herp businesses. That's why you guys only answer the questions that won't compromise your secrecy regarding your hatred for Americans. You selectively respond to posts which you can cleverly manipulate your answers while not really addressing the subject matter. We pretty much have you figured out and there is really not much sense in arguing with such a brainwashed putz any longer. If and when you are ready to address each specific topic in Each of my posts above without diverting the attention to a different issue while avoiding the issue set forth in my posts, perhaps I will continue to respond to your ridiculous babble.

You hit the nail on the head! Stoeckl doesn't want to be seen for who he really is here. Don't sweat it Stroeckl, you've already exposed yourself as an extreme anti-American , many times over. Go re-read all the vomit that is your posts regarding Iraq. It's too late to worry about your reputation now. Your anti-American views override any attempts you've made at politeness and civility. No matter how "polite' and/or "civil" UBL or Saddam might have been when they expressed their hatred for America, they elicited hatred of the worst kind from any American who had to hear it. Your message is no different than theirs and you have received the proper credit. You are a sickening individual! Now crawl off with your tail between your legs like your buddy Herpes did last week. Don't worry, you won't be missed here.

Snake Feller

... it is not mentioned there that the US haven't freed France because they wanted to help them but in order to defeat Germany.

Germany has had declared war on the US. So it was imperative to defeat the German troops in France. So it is misrepresenting to sell it as a generous act to France. Don't you think?

Or can you imagine that it would have made sense to go to Berlin and leave the German troops in France alone?

Otherwise this article is surely right. There are massive economical interests of the french guys in Iraq. Also of German companies...

This may have played an important rule in regard to the behaviour of both countries.

But talking about economical interests: How about the US?
I think it's similar interests here and on top of that political interests.

Put the politicians of the three countries in a sack and beat on it with a club. You will never hit the wrong one.
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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

Once again you've managed to avoid the issue. You accuse us of breaking UN regulations. Did France not disregard the embargo? In other words, if you guys compromise the regulations of the UN, the why should we take the UN seriously? You also avoided the statement about the UN agreeing to the final EXTENSION for Iraq to comply and then when WE followed through as a direct result of their failure to do so, the UN turned their backs on us, thus breaking their own argreement to regulations. The UN is a joke!

"Put the politicians of the three countries in a sack and beat on it with a club. You will never hit the wrong one"

Don't try to lump the US in with France and Germany. Germany and France are spineless, sniveling little crybabies like you. You and your pathetic comrades are dull, suspicious, conspiracy-minded, inflexible, cowardly, ugly American-haters. We, on the other hand love this country. Ha Ha jackass!

Why don't YOU, Herpes, and Kanuck jump in the sack and beat yourselves. You will never hit the wrong one!

Snake Feller

Why don't you just say what you mean!

I hope that you don't hold your breath waiting for the wooden-headed coward to change his agenda.

Stroeckl's shameless character has him acting as though he thinks that Bush invaded Iraq to free Iraqi citizens!

Stroeckl, you are deserving of the utmost disrespect. You are a spineless terd!

Snake

Name calling would be far less insulting than the crap you've posted on this forum to bash America. So don't get carried away German child thinking that you are on some higher level than me. You are a mindless POS!

Snake Feller

` His type is an embarrassment to those of us who think about each thing we encounter. Sadly, the general level of awareness in the United States is dropping rapidly. Our current government tends to attract those types who set their mind, and then just react. They are only suitable to be followers.
` He should be a lesson to you, Hermann. Don't feed the Trolls. When you catch one, just throw him back and let him starve.
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HEIL HITLER!

Man, that is such a lame tactic. How about refuting some of their arguments instead of using character assasination.

It's no different than the evasive tactics used by Stoeckl above!

Sorry, allow me to elaborate. As the saying goes, "fight fire with fire". I believe Batta's post represents that saying. Stoeckl repeatedly refused to answer to the above posts on a subject that he brought forth. This ongoing evasion has become tiresome and annoying! Therefore, any replies to his posts will probably be brought down to the same irrelevant and ridiculous level.

What did you ever "refute"?

Snake Feller

It's a pleasure to be "an embarassment" to the likes of you.

I'm sure that you believe that your "higher level of awareness" makes you some sort of leader, as opposed to the "followers" that the US is now producing. Give us a break jackass!

You and Stroeckl keep stroking each other thinking that you are more superior than the rest, just like the Germans did in the past. Why don't you join him in Germany if the US is as bad as you've conveyed? Beat it loser!

Snake Feller

Ya know, just because you're questioning US policy doesn't mean you should leave the country. Madelaine Albright was being interviewed on CNN this weekend and she questioned the wisdom of going into Iraq. She felt that Sadam had been effectively bottled up and that the weapons inspectors were doing what needed to be done. Hans Blix, the chief UN weapons inspector stated that he felt that there was no evidence that weapons of mass destruction still existed in Iraq. Instead of calling everyone a moron, how about you state what it is you believe happened and come up with something substantial to back it up.

Oh the voice of reason has spoken once again! Go away Kanuck! I know that you fancy yourself as being above the name-calling and ball busting, but your posts have already proven otherwise. You are a moron!

And, although you've managed not to see that those here who are defending Bush and America have painstakenly offered every justification possible for our position. Don't you dare ask for explanations at this point when you systematically filter out anything that favors our position. Again, you are a moron!

For a guy who claims to be all for Bush taking Saddam out, it's amazing to watch you steer clear of the mindless drivel (that diametrically opposes your supposed position) that guys like Stroeckl and Herpes have polluted this forum with. Where are your balls Moron! If you believe that Bush was right in Taking Saddam out, then start acting that way, unless your anti-American agenda prevents you from doing so.

Snake Feller

Blix is a schizo! How could he make a statement like that when they (the inspectors) were fought tooth and nail and finally forbidden to complete inspections? And why do you suppose that Saddam didn't comply? Hmmmm. This is a toughy! Take your time and get back to me on that one if you want.

"You should not display your poor upbringing in the public. You do a bad service to your country that you are representing here. Every halfway educated U.S. citizen must be ashamed of you!"

As a matter of fact, I'm proud of my upbringing, and if my responses to your consistently offensive and insolent anti-American comments have YOU believing that I've done a "bad service" to my country, then I assure you that I will keep up the good work! Way to go me! Thanks for your support Stroeckl! You are consistently a colossal jackass!

Snake feller

Herman, we just had a war in Iraq. Of course it's gonna be unstable. But for once in your life why can't you admit that the ousting of Saddam was a good thing for the Iraqis, unless you think it was acceptable behavior for Saddam to torture, rape and execute innocent people...HIS OWN people! Imagine for a moment that it was you and your loved ones living in Iraq and Saddam, or one of his incredibly evil sons came in and raped some of your family and executed others...just for the hell of it? I often wonder how many articles filled with these non fictional horror stories you guys have to dig through to find the ones that suit your agenda. Anyway, I think anarchy is a strong word that is cleverly used only by someone with your agenda in an effort to make things seem like they are beyond repair, helpless and hopeless. Anarchy is a strong word that in no way accurately describes the state of Iraq. You know that! So stop being so melodramatic and stop acting like you know first hand what state Iraq is in. You don't!

Come on now, Iraq was never stable. People were just cowed and herded around and too scared to do anything about it. Yes there may have been aquite a few civilians killed, yes there may have been some U.S. soldiers killed, heck yea there were a bunch of Iraq military killed. Well thats the way of war. How many civilians were killed in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam ? It is pretty much pointless. We did what needed to be done NOBODY should expect it all to be cleared up overnight. It is going to take time to straighten this out. It is not going to happen in a day. As far as lies being said to start the war, well if that is what it took, oh well. I guess sometimes the covers must be pulled to get the rightfull job done. When it is all over thing will be much better it will take trime lets have some patience and let the USA do what must be done!
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Even if your on the right track you will get run over if you just sit there
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Nicely put! But I've addressed these issues to Stoeckl and he clammed up! I hope you get a better, more "relevant to your post" type of response. I doubt it though.

Once again, Hooray for Bush. He did what Americans wanted him to do. We're happy with the results and ha ha Sobek! You are just as cowardly as Stroekl when he posted his far-fetched propoganda laced articles. You are just as much a nut case as he is, and your little article has once again revealed your anti-American agenda, whether you lack the balls to come right out and say it or not. Nice try jackass!

Snake Feller