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I will admit that this is somewhat off topic, but here is yet another scary example of governmental (mis) use of power in order to impose personal agendas and beliefs upon everyone else.
And nonbinding resolution or not, the government should have no place telling us what we choose to eat. And you thought there was no push by the ARs to veganize everyone...

WRONG.

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- The San Francisco Board of Supervisors unanimously approved a meatless Monday resolution on Tuesday, sponsored by Supervisor Sophie Maxwell. The measure declares every Monday as "Vegetarian Day" and urges restaurants, grocery stores and schools to offer more plant-based options.
Maxwell is a vegetarian and she believes if residents gave up meat once a week, it would improve their health. Her resolution would not require meatless Mondays, but would encourage them.
It's part of an international campaign. Last year the city of Ghent, Belgium became the first with "official" weekly veggie days.
ABC7 talked with Carter Nguyen, behind the counter at Prather Ranch in the Ferry Building. Prather is known for high quality, certified organic beef. Carter dismissed the notion of a meat-free day, telling us he eats meat every day.
"Vegetarians aren't necessarily healthy themselves. They consume a lot of tofu, soy and corn based food products that make fake meat. That doesn't make sense to me," he said.
The Loving Hut is a vegan restaurant in Chinatown which proudly displays a "Meatless Monday" banner featuring Paul McCartney.
The former Beatle is among celebrity supporters of the concept. Yvonne Chow says going without meat helps reduce your carbon footprint, is healthy for you and humane for animals. She says "It makes you more loving".
San Francisco is the first American city to embrace meatless Monday.
A tourist from Los Angeles told ABC7 "I hope the idea doesn't catch on there."

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I'll be sure to have a steak on monday and I'll eat it rare. I'd eat a bison steak but they are harder to come by in my area these days. It's too bad Ted Nugent doesn't market Jerky he could call it "uncle ted's jerky" I would definitely eat that on their stupid meatless mondays.
I used to work at a humane society that was infiltrated with these types of animal whackos. Believe it or not and I swear to God I am not making this up. They are opposed to fruit salad, I always thought that's what the hell they ate but when I heard this and inquired I was told it was because fruit salad contains marshmallows and I guess they are made out of animal protein. I'm a creative guy but I just couldn't make that one up if I tried. Those people are ridiculous. I was at the point before I quit that I swore if I heard the phrase "you shouldn't eat anything with a face" one more frackin' time, I was going to draw a smiley face with ketchup on one of my hamburgers at lunch and eat it in front of them.

>> I used to work at a humane society that was infiltrated with these types of animal whackos. Believe it or not and I swear to God I am not making this up. They are opposed to fruit salad, I always thought that's what the hell they ate but when I heard this and inquired I was told it was because fruit salad contains marshmallows and I guess they are made out of animal protein. I'm a creative guy but I just couldn't make that one up if I tried.

They also will not eat Jello. Of if they do you can point out it has animal protein in it as well.
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I always like the ones that will only eat "organic" food. DUH!, You can't digest in-organic stuff

Isnt this where all the hippy"s went in the 60's for FREEDOM OF EVERYTHING! Now they are the Government! What a bunch of phoney's. GROUND ZERO for Backasswards thinking and a Senitor three steps away from......I cant even say it. Vic

Here are some ethical arguments against a vegan diet:

OSU Scientist Questions the Moral Basis of a Vegan Diet

Consider the Oyster Why even strict vegans should feel comfortable eating oysters by the boatload

I remember many years ago when I was a member of the Chameleon Information Network (who ended up being a bunch of kooks in the end.) They had an article about raising your own wax moths in one of their newsletters. You basically added honey and a couple of other things to bran flakes. They recommended that you cook the mixture up before adding the wax moth larvae. The cooking was recommended because it would kill the eggs of some grain weevils which would hatch and make a mess of your cultures. I do seem to remember that I did it once with out cooking and this proved to be absolutely correct. At the time I was working at the humane society with a good handful of these vegan whackos so I was quite amused at this discovery as it confirmed what I knew all along. There is no such thing as an animal protein free diet. Just because the animal may border on being microscopic doesn't mean it is not an animal. An arthropod is an arthropod also so as far as I am concerned if they think it is okay to eat grain weevils then lobsters and crayfish and crabs are fair game as well.
I used to get a kick out of screwing with them with stuff like that.

I always thought vegans and cancer patients had the same emaciated look.

Wow! This Davis guy could work for the government.
Forget the AR angle for one second and look at his argument.
"There is no difference in the killing of a field mouse and the killing of a cow. In both cases a life is lost and many more mice die in harvesting." No difference, really.
In this guy's mind you are equally guilty if the brakes fail on your truck and you rearend a car onto RR tracks and a train hits and kills them.
Or if you stalk someone for months know their routine. Study them and kill and rob them. Equally guilty. A life was lost.
We all know that is ridiculous. Because intent means everything.
It is why Budhists pray at the end of the day in case unknowingly they may have caused the death of another.
Even more absurd, typically cows spend time in a feed lot before butchering. Guess what they eat? Right again, grain. Daily consumption how many vegans eat as much as one cow?
I realize this is off subject but I get tired of worrying about my job. My animals are not just my passion they are also my livlihood and have been for the last 10 years.
Just in case you think I'm a troll because I don't hate vegetarians. I'm 53. I bought my first snake when I was 12(6 foot female columbian boa). I have about 50 snakes, 35 crocs, a dozen torts/turts and a handful of lizards. D.C.

From what I have heard Osama Bin Laden didn't think the airplanes that flew into the twin towers would do as much damage as they did. Based on that statement (his not mine) I am guessing he didn't INTEND to kill as many people as he did. So based on YOUR logic he shouldn't be as guilty as he is because everyone knows it's all about intent. Of course it doesn't matter to the victims because either way they are still dead.
Maybe it's just me but I see a flaw in your logic. Mice cows deer bison whatever I don't care they are prey items I am an omnivore and therefore a predator and I will eat whatever I damn well please and I will not let you or anyone else try and guilt me out of it. If the day comes that I cannot eat the prey items of my choice like any good predator I will turn to humans like you. I suspect the grain fed ones will be much tastier.

First off I don't know you well enough to give a crap what you eat. As a former paramedic I would suggest deep frying that red meat 3 times a day.
Second, I destroyed your idol that loser Ted Nugent I don't apologize.
Third, Osamas INTENT was to kill people if he killed more than he predicted that is a bonus for him. That does'nt make him less or more guilty because he tried to kill as many people as he could.
The ciminal justice system thinks their is a huge difference between involuntary manslaughter and premeditated murder.
This is embarrassingly evident.
Fourth, you are already a prey item. Crocs, big cats etc. would gladly make a meal out of you.
Fifth, if you are already considering eating your fellow man if times get tough, you have already lost your humanity which was your birthright.
"DOG DOG DOG EAT DOG"
Turn off the Nugent dude.
He sucks. D.C.

You're kind of funny. First off Ted Nugent is an underrated guitarist he has been bashed by rolling stone magazine (which is actually a compliment in my opinion.) for his political views and given no credit for his music ability. All you would need to do is listen to the Penetrator Album the Damn Yankees albums, or the soundtrack to the Pierce Brosnan movie "Nomads" if you weren't convinced by earlier works. That said I am not really that big of a Ted Nugent fan so I would hardly call him an idol nor would I call any other guitarist an Idol.
But if you want to go down that road fine my influences are actually guys Like Ritchie Blackmore (it's his birthday in 45mins as I right this....hows THAT for your frackin idol worship?) of Deep Purple ,Rainbow and Blackmore's Night fame, Michael Schenker of UFO, MSG and Scorpions Fame (FYI mr. nugent fan, Ted's old singer Derek St. holmes sang for MSG for a while.) Uli jon Roth who replaced Michael Schenker in the Scorpions and his brother Zeno. There's a few others but most are from across the pond.
I mentioned I was an omnivore and therefore a predator I did not separate myself from being part of the food chain with that statement. However I will try really hard to not lose any sleep over worrying about big cats and crocodiles (and whatever else you mentioned.) trying to eat me. Being that I live near Orlando I even try really hard to not worry about killer whales in bath tubs trying to eat me.
finally if you are trying to instill some fear in me about my dying early from what I eat don't waste your breath (I hear CO2 is bad for the environment.) I at some point will die I have no idea how it could be 5 minutes from now it could be tomorrow it could be 50 yrs from now I have no idea nor do I care. It is a fact of life. Considering how I live on caffinated soda (which is mostly sugar...a plant product.) that is just as likely to kill me as eating meat will. Living long is not all it is cracked up to be btw . I worked a retirement community where I watched people who lived very long lives and in the end their brains turned to jelly and they crapped themselves until they kicked off (usually in January after the holidays...they drop like flies.) I have since told many of my friends and relatives that if I start to slow down mentally I hope something eats me before I get to that point (I keep water monitors...several of them) . I still stand by that statement which come to think of it makes yours about things eating me in some attempt to shock me kind of lame.
Last but not least no thanks on the triple fried meat I prefer mine lightly browned on the outside and very much bleeding on the inside.

Wow thanks for that hx on marginal rock bands.
I typically don't get my polical, or any other views from Rolling Stone. I could have gone my whole lfe happily forgetting about Ted Nugent but then the little hypocritical loser had to open his mouth and even worse move to TX.
I certainly was'nt trying to "scare you straight" into eating right. Once again that would mean I care about you and I don't.
Eat whatever and how much you want you have my blessing.
As far as old age I guess at 53 I'm more sensitive. I've known several guys who did'nt make it to 50. Died of heart attacks not from eating to much sugar. If you want the caffeine and not the sugar you could try diet.
Certainly was'nt trying to scare you about being on the menu either.
Funny I've had 3 what I would call large (7 foot or bigger) water monitors and I never thought about any of them eating me.
I knew they could hurt me but I guess if you have Niles, Salts, Siamese, and Cubans you don't really worry about big lizards.
D.C.

How about Freedom Friday?

Everyone take time out every Friday to exercise your first and second amendment rights...and eat lots of meat!

I was thinking of ordering a meat-heavy pizza tonight...now I know I am.
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If we are not supposed to eat animals, why are they made out of meat?

Vegetables are what food eats. LOL.

Oh, calm down: it's not like it's mandatory!

"Her resolution would not require meatless Mondays, but would encourage them."

Lighten up a little.

Its true that its not mandatory, but it is a lifestyle choice.

I am all for promoting a healthy life, but this seems to take it a bit far.

To me its like some official suggesting we have "Carnivore Wednesdays" or "Gay Tuesdays" - Its not something that should be pushed or supported like that - I certainly wouldn't want my tax dollars supporting this if I lived there.

If I were a businessperson there who had a food related business, It would encourage me to have tongue in cheek "Murder Mondays" or "Meat Filled Mondays" at the same time, simply to be contrary, where meat was in every featured dish on that day. It might tick some folks off, sure, but think of all those who were bothered by the Meatless Monday malarkey would would come in to support it.

Actually I ate meat twice that year. It was easier than trying to explain why I was'nt eating meat. My wife has been a vegetarian for about 25 years and there is noone I admire more than her.
The reason I went meatless is because at the time I was working at the Snake Farm. A reptile zoo in TX. We had the classic postage stamp collection I have no idea how many animals we had but we had a lot. During feeding season we would feed probably 500 rats and 2000 mice and maybe 50 rabbits a week.
We bought live we fed stunned/killed. So about my third year there killing(or stunning) all these rodents and rabbits started to get to me. I also had about 30 big snakes at home. I felt like every time I turned around I was killing something. The snakes, monitors,snappers and crocs were going to eat meat they had no choice. But I did. So I stopped eating meat.
When I was a kid(the 60's) every week my Mom would make what she called a peasant dinner. A big pot of pinto beans and cornbread.
No meat. Cutting meat from one meal saved money more importantly my Mom wanted us to know the majority of the worlds population did'nt have meat once a day.
BTW Anytime Ted chickenhawk Nugent is on your side you have already lost the fight. Besides being a draft dodger he's also a loser. I don't know of of one hunter in my area that has ANY respect for him. He shot a huge tame Red Deer through a fence.
A magnificent animal used for stud. People could walk straight up to the deer and take photos within a few feet.
Chickenhawk shot him with a bow through the fence. D.C.

We don't eat meat daily, and beef only occasionally. We're lucky in that there is a farm nearby that raises grass-fed beef. After tasting it, you wouldn't go back to the grain-fed crap.

If you look at this from a slightly different perspective, encouraging people to eat more fruits and vegetables isn't really a bad thing, given most American's taste for fatty junk food, and the propensity for all the health problems related to the consumption of said junk.

Maybe some of this indignation should be directed at the Catholic Church...Fish on Fridays anyone?... and then look at what the Vatican approves as "fish": sea turtles, among other non-fish critters. So, in some impoverished nations, the consumption of endangered turtles is actually dictated and encouraged by the church. Great, huh?

That is incredible about the Catholic Church, I did'nt know that.
In fact I did'nt know they stiil did the fish on Friday thing.
If sea turtles are'nt sacred can't imagine Alligator snappers are safe either.
Since my wife is a vegetarian I only eat lunch meat at home. When I go out to eat I eat whatever.
Me and a friend had a business doing osteological preparations.
This was a nasty job especially when the carcasses were'nt fresh.
You cut through maggot riddled meat all day, even with a big smear of Ben Gay under your nose the last thing you want for dinner is meat.
My favorite pic of this friend. We both have yellow slicker suits on and we are crouched inside the abdominal cavity of an adult male giraffe. It was fresh, thank god, but still a little over whelming. When you are literally pulling hundreds of pounds of innards out of an animal. I doubt I ate meat that night either. D.C.

"You cut through maggot riddled meat all day, even with a big smear of Ben Gay under your nose the last thing you want for dinner is meat."

To each his/her own. I do osteo prep, and taxidermy, and dealing with maggots, flies, rotten meat and decaying carcasses has never once affected my appetite for meat. I don't even need the Ben Gay, as the smells no longer bother me.

As for the Catholic church thing, its is irritating, as in South America the Redfoot Tortoise & Capybara are both OK "fish" substitutes, along with other aquatic creatures from what I have been told.

Don't like the church fish edict, but what people eat and how they treat their animals is a cultural thing. It is amazing what some cultures find gastronomically appealing. Some culture treat animals terribly. Some cultures are extreme in the other direction. Of course there are varying degrees and sects within cultures. People around here keep their dogs chained or let them run wild. I don't agree with either. Same old AR/PETA arguments. What is OK with one individual is horrific to another and vice versa. It's all cultural bias. Simple as that.

Eating more fresh fruit and vegetables is definitely a good thing.

The Mediterranean Diet is probably the best health-wise.

As far a humans eating meat, it's pretty much the same dietary model of the typical Red-eared Slider. More meat protein when growing to maturity. Same during reproductive periods. Less meat in later years. Old age is less total intake.

My personal philosophy on what meat to eat generally goes like this --- No carnivores, nothing with canine teeth, Pork an exception. Personally, I don't care for organ meat, but I take plenty of dietary supplements to compensate.

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As a teenager camping out on the river with my cousin we would pretty much catch, kill, and eat anything.
Opossum, armadillo, raccoon , rabbit. The nastiest was a Ring Tail Cat, very musky.
Go figure being a mustilidae. D.C.

Aren't ring tails in the raccoon family?

Nasal fatigue is a beautiful thing. My wife assures me I have a severe and permenant case of it.
I have'nt used Ben Gay in a long time but then I'm so far behind...
I have a couple of freezers full of stuff I keep thinking I'll get to in my free time.
I have an amazing skull collection. D.C.

I don't care for Nugent's politics, but at least he eats what he kills. I do like some of his music, and he IS in pretty good physical condition, so whatever he's doing, it seems to work. I'm about a year and a half older than him. He's got a pretty hot wife, too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-condrick/accidentally-killed-the-n_b_533478.html
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I guess that means if one of those vegan farmers accidentally kills a woodchuck while plowing his field it's fair game right? I had that once when I lived in new york the texture is a bit odd but the meat was pretty good. It was sort of like beef. A few nights back I found a dead baby rabbit drowned in one of my lilly ponds.
It was clearly an accident. I guess I should have thought faster and ate it myself instead of feeding it to one of the water monitors.

Woodchuck...the other white meat.

Actually, I've had it and it's very dark meat-and stringy, unless you get a really young one. We found a pressure-cooker was VERY helpful.

Squirrel is ten times better.
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Green Tree Pythons
Jungle Carpet Pythons
Pastel, Pinstripe, FIRE, Piebald, Clown, Lavender Albino, Leucistic, and Spider Ball Pythons
Striped Colombian Boa Constrictors
Kenyan, Rufescens, and Conicus Sand Boas
Red Phase Western Hognose Snakes
Spider Western Hognose Snakes
Albino Western Hognose Snakes
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Eastern Hognose Snakes
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Hypo Desert Kingsnakes
Mexican Black Kingsnakes
Desert Phase, Striped Desert, Newport, and Coastal California Kingsnakes
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Spotted Mexican Milksnakes
Tangerine Mexican Milksnakes
Locality Alterna
Abbott Okeetee Cornsnakes
Mexican Baird's Ratsnakes
Cape Housesnakes
Tangerine Albino African Fat -Tailed Geckos
Locality Spotted Turtles