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A recent holdback I acquired.

enjoy!, ~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Very nice Doug. Looks like you are getting good at the photo framing as well.

Thanks Joe!. Yeah, experimenting with different framing techniques too..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Nice Doug, man I love the hypo tricolors.
Is that a ♂ or ♀?

-Dell

Thanks Dell!. Yes, I like good examples of them too. This one is a female.

BTW,......how the heck did you type the sexual symbols in your post??..LOL!

Very nice hypo YOU have there too I might add!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Ha, I thought you might like the symbols I added. First time I've ever used them on a forum. I knew it could be done, but didn't know how (computers are not my strong point), so I searched and searched, monkeyed around for weeks until I finally figured it out. Something so easy took me forever.
Right now all the puter geeks are laughing at me, saying "Moron". And they'd be right.☺

Doug my Mac has a drop down☟ window in Edit called Special Characters☃, and in that box are tons of symbols✌. I found the ♂♀ symbols rather quickly but it took me forever ⌛ to learn how to post them, because like I said I'm an idiot.〠

Anywho, give me a ☏ some ⌚ & we'll talk about the ☔ in ☭.

✌

-Dell

Anywho, give me a �� some ⌚"

LMAO!!,....I like it!,..will do man!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

symbols? Do you have a kingsnake.com keyboard?

>>Nice Doug, man I love the hypo tricolors.
>>Is that a �� or ��?
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>>-Dell
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Mark

Hey guys, I love both of those snakes1 Doug that one looks a lot like my female very nice. Dell I like yours a lot but I have a question. I know this subject has been brought up before but is that snake actually a hypo? It has very bold black bands. Don't want to start a mess but just wondering your thoughts. Either way it's beautiful!

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J Sierra

Thanks Jorge!,...nice VP you have there as well!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Thanks Doug. by VP do you mean vanishing pattern? I thought the same thing but it's supposed to be an aberrant hypo. Guess time will tell?
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J Sierra

Well J.S. that's a valid question, and I've wondered the same thing about different animals I've seen on the internet.
Here's an interesting example of two hypo. syspila.

But let's start w/ a nice normal first for a comparison. And this is a fine example too. Very robust wide banded ♀.

This is a hypo. ♂ from a 2007 clutch, and clearly hypo. looking w/ the lack of melanin tipping that can occur on the scales. Clearly white between the saddles showing no tipping or melanin, but the black banding around the saddles is dark, and someone could make an argument that it's not hypo. I would disagree w/ them, but the argument could be made.

Another ♂ from a 2009 clutch, and clearly showing more of a true hypo look. His saddles are brighter then the above syspila, and it's white between the saddles is very clean looking. The black around the saddles is muted much more then the above snake.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are different levels or stages of hypos., and that the honduran your asking about is a hypo, but that there are cleaner hypos out there. If you were to compare him to a normal tangerine honduran he would be much brighter in color then the normal or a wild caught animal, typically.

Here is a normal tangerine.

And here is the hypo. your asking about. What do you think?

Let me say these are my own opinions, and that maybe Doug or Shannon or someone w/ more experience w/ hypos can come in here and straighten my thinking out about what a hypo is and isn't.

-Dell

Well I would call it a hypo too! I am just a bit confused about the whole subject quite frankly. Some animals we see as hypos almost look like they might be something other than the hypos i'm used to seeing. They have the black bands almost a purple-ish look to them. I have a Corn snake that looks this way too. In corn snakes they have broken up the hypos into several types. Like Lava, and Sunkissed. Just wondering if this is not the case with the milk snakes we are seeing. I would have definately called your snake a hypo. There just seems to be different levels like you said. Thanks and those are some nice pictures too!
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J Sierra

Dell,.......

All I can say is where on this gray scale would the rings start being considered hypomelanistic, and where would they stop being considered hypomelanistic?........I would DEFINITELY say at each far end, but what about the rest in between?

I think this topic will always involve a large area of "gray"........excuse the pun!

I would have to basically roll with your view on it Dell.

In my opinion, yours certainly constitutes being hypomelanistic, just a bit darker than some other's is all. One thing it definitely isn't, and that is a "normal/wild" phenotype. It is very clean, vivid and bright, with very minimal tipping.

So is everyone absolutely crystal-clear on this now??..................HUH!?.....NO!??, ......that's what I thought..LMAO!

anyway, nice HYPO Dell!!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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That snake is so bright it has an aura..
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Mark

"That snake is so bright it has an aura"

LMAO!!,....yeah, she DOES seem to have a glowing "aura" about her in the photo there Mark,....too funny!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

very nice acquisition Doug! That one looks very clean with perfect banding.

Dave
DNS Reptiles

Thanks Dave!,....

Yes, she is definitely all those things, which is why I really didn't want to part with her..LOL!

later, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com