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Very happy this morning.

What were the parents? What is it a snow, moonglow or something very special?

I love that you didn't say what the breeding was. Keeping us guessing is a thing of beauty.

The mom is probably an Albino Motley correct? The Dad is probably a Sunglow. The Albino Super Motley is a parthenogenic product from the Mom.

Those are my predictions. Is there a prize for guessing correctly or just the personal satisfaction of getting it right?

Great litter!~
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Jeff Ronne Sr
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Congrats Tibor, an albino Super Motley....AWESOME!
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Wasn't there just a forum topic about this a few months ago where several different people said they produced supers from a motley male to some kind of other female???? If I remember correctly there was, i don't remember who started the thread though.

I would be curious to know the parents of this litter though, to either support or argue the theory.

Any insight Tibor?

Congrats! Awesome litter as usual!

I don't see how that is possible. How can the male produce an egg that begins to split and reproduce itself making a "super" version of itself. I haven't heard anyone speculate that a sperm can replicate itself and become a zygote and ultimately anything other than just a sperm. Only the female can do this.

Quite a few people now have produced "Super Motleys" when only the mother was a Motley. What I think is particularly interesting about this is that I have never heard of a female that was het for a simple recessive trait that produced a visual homozygous offspring without ever having been exposed to a male carrying the same recessive trait.

So what on Earth makes Motleys in particular to this fluke of nature?
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Jeff Ronne Sr
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Jeff,

I did produce one Albino Super Jungle from a Jungle X Jungle het Albino. The male Jungle was bred to an Albino the previous year, and produced no Albinos. The second year, he, and he alone, was bred to a virgin Jungle het Albino and the normal split of Jungles, Supers and normals was produced, except for this one lone Albino Super Jungle. Only the mom was carrying the gene for albinism...

Mark
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My female het sharp may be the 1st. She was bred by a het bw caramel and had 4 albinos. I will be sending the shed skind to Dr Booth. I am waiting for 2 more to shed.

Jeff, it really doesn't make any sense I agree. It is STRANGE.. I don't know why or what makes it happen, but interesting thing about the females that you mentioned. I don't know if that is Species specific, but all mine have seemed to have happen where the Male was the one that passed it on... I could give quite a few examples of this happening, but i'm stumped.... Sometimes good ole mother nature stumps us, and I wish we could figure it out...

Jeremy

I had an odd litter last year with a motley breeding. She is progo with the same father, so Im gonna wait to see what I get in this 2nd litter until I come up with my theory from last years litter.. Thats what makes breeding boas so darn interesting and awesome. Tib cant wait to see more pics. I can only guess that one will be your holdback..

Amazing!! I think i agree with Jeff. Very exciting stuff!

Congrats Tibor!!

I'm very curious what it's eyes look like.

That's a sweet looking litter, you could drop a speck of pepper
in there and they'd probably disperse.

Congratulations Tibor, Sunglow Motley's with a Super Surprise !

. . . Lar M
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Thats awesome.. Please post more pics..

Michael Burton

woah, how freakin' exciting! did you just hit the floor when you opened the tub or what?!
Can't wait to see more pics, hope it pulls through for you!!
Congrats
-April
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Congrats

I agree lets see the eyes!

Congrats by the way

What an AMAZING litter.. CONGRATS...

To shed some light on this subject, i have had this SAME occurance randomly happen 14 documented times... Not all with the same morph, but 14 times...

Last year, I bred a Motley het Sharp Albino to a Het Sharp Albino, and Popped the EXACT same thing Tibor did.. It was an albino Super motley Sharp, and it was white, but it didn't make it longer than a day... The one you looks like seems to be a lot healthier than the few that have popped out.

Another breeding last year by a different breeder also popped out an albino Super Motley from just a motley het too, so it has also happened to a few others...

Occasionally a SUPER Motley will come out of Motley to Normal breedings.... I have never been able to breed a Super Motley yet, as it appears the genes need a lot more outcrossing....

They are SOO cool to produce... CONGRATS again...

Jeremy Stone

thanks Jeff..Jeremy.. everyone..pretty stoked!

Sexed him and doing well tongue flicking already..
The motleys are my thing and hoping to help make them even better..should be tons of fun in the years ahead.
good luck to everyone on litters 2010

I bet u were jumping and screaming when u saw the lil boy.
Talking bout blessing from boa god! good luck with that boy.
Are the parents related or not!! Keep us update pics.
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Albert
Getting back from boa hobby!!!
0.1 fiance , not super tame, but getting there!! lol
0.1 Sharp line albino , poss het sharpsnow
1.1 TH Sharp snowglow
1.0 CA stripe proven super hypo
1.1 Hypo nics
1.0 Emerald line sunset
1.1 pure Cancun boa
0.2 Betty line hog island
4.4 CA hypo/hogs het full body stripes
0.2 CA poss. super hypo
1.1 DH CA type2 ghost
1.0 CA Tpos nic
1.1 hypo jungle
1.1 Dogs
Lots of feeder mice and rats !!!

A boy? I'm surprised. Congrats on the litter. They look great!

Congrats Tibor!! Its an awsome snake. Diablo Blanco(sorry Mr. Tremper,I couldnt resist). Best of luck with him/her. Mike Panichi
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Congrats Tibor- thats awesome!! What were the parents?

That's all I want to know!!! Why the mystery? We know it was at least an Albino Motley X Sunglow or was it and Albino Motley X Sunglow Motley!!!Or are you hiding the normals and hypos? Why keep a mystery?

Al Brown/Brown's Boas
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Sunglow Mot X Sunglow

Congrats a nice litter and congrats on the Albino Super Motley! Best of luck with those!

What was the total morph ratio.. Anyway of telling if that Albino super is actually the White Devil?

Congrats again... Tibor.

Now thats is exciting.
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Richard Ceniceros

LOL...we dont even know what the parents were and everyone is acting like bio majors or scientist. What if the parents were both motleys?

If the parents were both Motleys, the resulting white snake would not be a surprise.
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Jeff Ronne Sr
The Boaphile
Director USARK

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The Boaphile Boa Site

I understand its just that he didnt mention what the parents were. Didnt mean to rain on the parade...

You did it buddy, way to go.

I'm so happy for you.

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What a beautiful litter!!!! Awesome! And yes, what a surprise!!
I had one pop out last year just like that except mine came out with a mangled neck! O_o
Even aside from your surprise the rest of the litter looks GREAT!
Congrats!!

Alex
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Alex Barreiro
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Tibor........huge congrats on such a wonderful litter and surprise!
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