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Hey All, i was hoping someone could post a picture of an Albino flame brooksi and a hypo flame brooksi, a buddy got a few and i am alittle wary of what he got, nice snakes non the less

thanks!
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POSITIVE THOUGHTS, POSITIVE RESULTS

Here is a picture of a true hypo flame brooksi. There are not many of these around.
I don't have any pics of an albino flame brooksi on my work computer.

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Boneyardreptiles.com

That's what i am talking about. Awesome!
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www.Bluerosy.com

Thanks!
She just went into pre-lay shed. I should find out if she is het for anery this year as well.
Here's some pics of the anery ghost male she was bred to. Sorry for the old pics!

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Boneyardreptiles.com

I was hopoing you would post that picture... THAT animal looks like a HYPO-EXTREME FLAME

The one i got from Tommy just looks like a nice hypo from that line but there is no comaprison to your animal

Compared to a high red hypo:

I got a pair of the "Extreme Flames" so i'm hoping they prove to be het hypo as well. i would love one of those

your animal (where's the hatchling picture?): More uniform color on you girl! You can see the similarity btwn your hypo and the two above (From the same project as your snakes BTW: so they are poss het hypo and Anery)

Here's a what i'll now have call a Hypo from the flame line not a Extreme Flame Hypo like i thought until i saw yours again!

Here is a Hypo-Flame from a line i been working on for a while... these "extreme flames" and Hypo "Extreme Flames" just blow these out the water

There is 4sure more going on with the "Extreme Flames" I ho pe it proves to be 100% a NEW morph (Erythristic or HYPER-erythristic???)

The baby pic is a few posts below. I'll try and snap some pics of the others I have including a striped girl I hatched last year.
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Boneyardreptiles.com

There are hypo Flames and THEN THERE ARE hypo Flames. there is a NEW line out there that just blows everything out of the water as far as hypo Flames. Maybe JT colubrids or Zenny can post a pics for you of these remarkable flmes. I would call that line hypo Flame. The others pale (literally) in comparison. I have even seen some very washed down versions of barely red hypos called Flame.

This is what i used to call a hypo Flame. If your friend has the regular hypo Flames choose one from the clucth that has lots of the red on the head as babies 9as in picture). The ones with more red on the head tend to hold onto more red as they mature.

As far as Albino Flame brooksi I think that Zenny has some of the nicest i have seen. maybe he will post some pics again.

There are 2 things I must add, so not to confuse the whole name thing again in the future. The Albino flames that Zenny has are a "lavender" Flame. A true albino Flame is a different animal. i will be having the true albino Flames which is the the red eye albino with the red borrowed from the Flame line. These will also produce a true HYBINO. ...Yikes!~~~.. Herpteoculturists in the past gave little though to what something should be called before assigning a name for that trait.

In Florida kings the term "Flame" always refered to the hypo brooks. I mention this because in the 90's there used to be what people called the EXTREME Lavender brooks . Which are high red lavender albinos. But the Flame trait adds a different flavor than those high red Extreme Lav's. The Extreme lavs did have LOTS of red. But the red from the hypo line in hypo Flames just add something extra special and NEW!
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Here is a pic of a lavender flame. The snake is owned by Tom Agosta. The pic is from Zenny Felicien.

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Boneyardreptiles.com

Awesome examples on those snakes thanks! i guess i am looking for baby pics over adult pics, i should of specified. and rainer, i was looking at the "albino flame" and i was thinging it just looked like a lavender that was high red.

any pictures out there of baby hypo flames? albino/lavender flames?

thanks again all!
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Here's a baby pic of a hypo flame, flame, and sibling.

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Boneyardreptiles.com

Hmmm. Look at the hets...

Seems like the hypo was introduced to a much darker line of Florida king and that brought out the amazing reds.. Amazing how the darker browns effect the hypo trait when it is expressed. i bet someone just bred a hypo to whatever they had and struck gold.

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They were produced by dbl hets from an anery from the Fengya flame line bred to a Love hypo.
The flames these produce are out of this world. I believe there is something extra going on with them.
Here are some other pics.
The first one is the same one in the group shot.
The second is from the same line - produced by Tom Agosta.
The third is from the same parents as the first just a year later.

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Boneyardreptiles.com

Here is the group shot a year apart.

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Boneyardreptiles.com

Okay it is the anery "line".
I got the same thing when i combined the anery line to the Peanut Butter and got these super red PB's I call Goldens. Same thing when i bred the sulfur snow(anery x lav) into the PB and got the red Peabinos.
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www.Bluerosy.com

Yeah I know a guy who got some super nice high reds from his anery line too!
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Can you get some pics of the baby's and some info on where the adults came from?
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Boneyardreptiles.com

I remember you mentioning something about the anery line making things crazy red. Any ideas as to what about the anery line is doing it? It's possible there is something there that affects the erythrophores in both ways. In one case removing them and in the other hyper activating them. All of the "extreme" flames that I'm aware of came from a line that has the anery gene in the mix. The only problem is that the anery gene is a proven simple recessive and whatever is making them red has proven not to be.
Any thoughts anyone?
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Boneyardreptiles.com

I remember you mentioning something about the anery line making things crazy red. Any ideas as to what about the anery line is doing it? It's possible there is something there that affects the erythrophores in both ways. In one case removing them and in the other hyper activating them. All of the "extreme" flames that I'm aware of came from a line that has the anery gene in the mix. The only problem is that the anery gene is a proven simple recessive and whatever is making them red has proven not to be.
Any thoughts anyone?

I think it has to do with the line the anerys came from. Any of my hets from the anery look like the hets from the picture of the Flame normals. That is why i mentioned it because I have almost identical as pictured by boneyard below:

this year i bred my Phantom (Peanut Butter /Anery homozygot) to a female anery. it will be interesting to see what those anerys will come out looking like. Of course all of them will be het for Phantom. So that is cool..

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It turns out that the normal flame in the pic is 100% het for hypo and anery! Do you think its some kind of marker for the anery gene? Have you produced any like that that have not turned out to be het anery?
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Boneyardreptiles.com

I have turned out a lot of pos hets from that line. they all look similar. So i don't know if this is a marker. i think it is just the line.
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I too recall years ago doing ghost project the het Axanthics were red babies

and rainer, i was looking at the "albino flame" and i was thinging it just looked like a lavender that was high red.

Yeah, that is what used to be called an extreme lavender. Tim Ricks and Streve Osborne sold the heck out of those in the 90's. for $300. bucks. i don't see many nice examples around anymore. i wonder what happened to them .
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My bet is that the anery trait is what is making FL King morphs so insane! Aneries themselves are not all that amazing looking except for some sulfer aneries that I have seen, but when combined with other morphs awesome and intense colors come to the surface.

Here are a few of my snakes that have anery either combined with another morph or the project that created these snakes has the anery trait floating around in it (poss het anery and het anery animals)

Peabino poss het anery (baby pics but the intense bright red has not faded a bit)

Sulfur Snow from Tom Stevens' poss het T- (KILLER PURPLES and the mustard yellow toward the belly)

Golden PB poss het lavender albino and anery (hasn't lost any red since it hatched)

Here are a couple pics of my flame line stuff
NOTE: Snakes from Tom Agosta/Fengya will have this next to them (F)
Snakes from the line that Zenny works with that he noted in an above post "they dont copare with the new flames coming out" will have this next to them (Z)

Hypo Flame (Z)

Hypo Flame (Z)

Hybino Breeding Hypo Flame (Z)

Hypo Flame (Z) x Jelly Hatchling

Extreme Flame poss het hypo and anery - one of them is being bred to a sweet striped hypo from Tom Stevens




The Striped Male Hypo (NOT A FLAME)

Anery Flame poss het Hypo (F)
Notice the purpley tinge in the close up picture that ends up really showing up in the Anery Flame Ghost later in this post

These popped out of the anery line flames, a Flame Anery Snow (F)
It was interesting to me how these turn more pink and yellow rather than purple like sulfur snows do and the anery flame ghosts do from this line...
FEMALE

HER BROTHER

Extreme Lavender Flame (F)

Anery Flame Ghost (F) - breeding a flame hypo male as I post this
This snake resembles my phantoms very much but she is MUCH more purple than my phantoms - purples are kind of like the sulfur lav earlier in this post

This Hypo Flame was a gift from a friend and is from unknown origins ufortunately but he is really sweet and he has been locked up with my Golden PB twice now!

Some keep their colors better as they age as others and some get even better! I can't wait for eggs from these to start hatching and see what happens! I bred the brightest Sulfur lavender that I have to my nicest Extreme Lavender Flame so those should come out sweet looking! Post pics when you all produce more flame stuff!!!

KILLER SNAKES!!!
Everything that I have seen that is really intense red has the anery gene somewhere in the mix but what is it that makes you think it is the anery gene that is causing it?
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Boneyardreptiles.com

I am speechless.

My head is spinning with all those morphs and flavors and what you are doing with them. Really excellent work!
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