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Sorry about all the Florida King questions today but I remeber several years ago maybe 10 or so. There was a guy from Brandon Florida who had some Florida Kings he branded Dream Kings! I remeber cause I was wanting to buy one but they were pretty expensive, for me at least. They looked a lot like nice Brooks but he claimed his stock was from Wild Caughts in the brandon area. I can't remember his name or his buisness name for the life of me. Does anyone here remember him?
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J Sierra

Dream Kings

Breeders Andy Barr and Mike Flacon colaborated on tis project.

A school yellow bus was bred to a hillsboro county king snd they result was dream kings.

later on Andy also breed his shcool bus yellow florida king into a Apalachicola (goini) and called them DREAM kings as well.

SO there was two kines oh' kings'. One was a bonafied florida DREAM king and the other was a 50/50 Florida x Apalachicola. Both were super nice and , oh, they got H U G E as adults. Just the largest line of Florida kigs i ever raised up a and worked with. I got some old stash pictures of some of these on 35mm. I can take it to walmart and get it put on a disk, then i will download them here.

those naturally yellow "school bus" (SBYK's) were bred to a goini (aka Apalachicola), the resulting babies were raised up and bred back to one another and produced a funky looking snake called a Fruition king. Saw it, Great Name and the name suits it well to! Gosh that snake was marvelous. Never saw them again after poor Andy Barr dissapeared ino thin ice, knowbody know what happened to the snakes or him again.
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Now I'm certainly not saying that project wasn't genuine brooksi him and Mike were working on, but I will say that many other things involving good ol' Andy Barr are things I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. Heck, I was just at a pet store recently and a tank had an albino Honduran x albino Cal. king proudly labeled "Andy Barr line" cross!. Oh yeah folks, I was thoroughly impressed..LOL!

He is(or at least was) definitely one of the hobbies renowned "king of crosses", and his name usually sends me running in the opposite direction to be quite honest..

~Doug
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So I'm not the only one who remmbers them, lol. Yeah I don't know the name of the guy I spoke with but He said He lived in Brandon. He did say they were not Brooks. He said they came from some locally caught stock from Brandon (Hillsboro County). I remember they looked a lot like a Brooks but He tried to convince me they were completely different. I don't know what made me think of him and those snakes? Thanks for the two stories guys!
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J Sierra

I sure would like to see some pics of these, along with these so-called "fruition kings" Rainer mentioned earlier as well.

~Doug
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doug,
Andy barr was had some personal problems in his life and sometimes when he talked he would get mixed up. But he did do a lot of Florida kings as well as ratsnakes, hybrids and a host of other stuff.. Nothing wrong with that unless you have a problem with anyone that does. If that is the case, even the most respected breeders (who people hold in the highest regard) do locality, morphs, generic , subspcific intergrades, unatural intergrades, hybrids etc. Yet people don't mind them doing it nor dare say a bad word about them even though they may dislike hybrids or any other snake or reptile for whatever personal reason.. You have probably purchased many animals from such breeders tables who proudly displayed their unatural crosses and hybrids for sale.

People have to trust the breeder and Andy was trustworthy with his animals and represented what they were. Tht is all that really counts.

Before he dissapeared from the planet, Andy got into some trouble with folks for unrelated things and had to dump all his animals quickly and that is where most of the bad rap came from.
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Andy could get two sticks to breed one another. He had the knack and know-how to do the crosses that helped begin many morphs and got people to experiment themselves after seeing his success.
:Mark
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Andy could get two sticks to breed one another. He had the knack and know-how to do the crosses that helped begin many morphs and got people to experiment themselves after seeing his success.

Yes he had a real knack for breeding snakes. he thought outside the box and made many others, including me, think about genetics in a different bway. he helped me think about other than just reproducing the same thing. I am that way today as i am constantly trying to move forward and create new morphs with Florida kings.

heck i would even go as far to call him a pioneer in his acheivments. Especially how he looked at things down the line of 4 to 6 years rather than just 2 or 3 years.

His experimentaql side also showed us new things in what happens when breeding F2 generations back to one another and how certain cycles effect pattern and aberancies.

here is a shot i just happen to have of the Tampa show where you can see his snake booth (Andy's Snake farm) on the side. he is sitting behind the table.

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yes and if nothing else, he was honest about just what "recipe" he used to get such-and such.
I'll go along with the "pioneer" label.
:Mark
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Rainer,....

My only point there was that crosses just aren't my thing. I have nothing bad to say about him personally at all, just that I don't care for alot of the crosses that are out there in the hobby, that's all.

~Doug
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My only point there was that crosses just aren't my thing. I have nothing bad to say about him personally at all, just that I don't care for alot of the crosses that are out there in the hobby, that's all.

And i would never touch a country music station. I don't have anything personal against people who listen to it. I just don't care for the sound to be polluting the music industry.

LOL! I know you have nothing personal against him. That was not what i was saying. just that why mention that you would never "touch" anything from someone that breeds hybrids makes it sound like you are trying to solve a problem that does not exist.
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You seem to be under the impression that your opinion is the only one that matters on the forum. You need to step off the soapbox once in a while, and let some other's add their opinion's without constantly being "corrected" with YOUR views on how things are, or how they should be.

And no,....I won't be able to solve anything either. That would be like me attempting to drain a swimming pool with an eye dropper, and turn around to see 100 other people filling it back up with 5 gallon buckets.

Hey wait!,....did I just attempt to make another point here on the forum??..LMAO!!

Look, I don't care for man-made crosses(as if you didn't know..LOL!), so I will always say I don't. Anyone that wants to tell me I am "wrong" about voicing my opinion on it is wasting their time and effort trying to get me to think an different on the issue.

~Doug
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my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Look, I don't care for man-made crosses(as if you didn't know..LOL!), so I will always say I don't. Anyone that wants to tell me I am "wrong" about voicing my opinion on it is wasting their time and effort trying to get me to think an different on the issue.

My point was i don't like country music. Nor does Simon Cowl. But no need to keep voicing it as if to brow beat people into YOUR opinion..
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LOL!
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Super Brooks...... From Southern Reptiles..... back in the day..?

byron.d

No. The superbrooks from Sothern reptile company are not the same as the Dream. No relation at all.
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However, to make things a bit more confusing....Andy had some damn nice brooks that he dubbed "super" only because they were just that. Super looking snakes. No albino in them that I know of.
I believe Chris' were from a line that included albinos?
:Mark
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However, to make things a bit more confusing....Andy had some damn nice brooks that he dubbed "super" only because they were just that. Super looking snakes. No albino in them that I know of.

Yeah and didn't BHB also have normals they called superbrooks back in the 90's as well? I think I remmember seeing them on their price list.
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