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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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I know I've said this before but....I've never been a fan of the Desert Kings but these aneries have a special appeal to them for sure!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>I know I've said this before but....I've never been a fan of the Desert Kings but these aneries have a special appeal to them for sure!

Not anery....She's axanthic....There is no original red pigment to be absent.......The yellow is absent......lol

Thanks for the compliment though Jorge....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Well if there is no original red pigment to be absent then how can you be sure? What if it is anery? You would never know the difference right?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>Well if there is no original red pigment to be absent then how can you be sure? What if it is anery? You would never know the difference right?

Here we go again.....
I wasn't trying to argue, but a snake has to have red on it in its original form to be lacking to be called anery....The red pigment is replaced by the absence of the red pigment....which is white.

Splendida are normally black and yellow......When the yellow is absent and replaced by white it is Axanthic.........

Anery snakes can be axanthic as well, but axanthics are not anery........

erythrin = red
xanthin = yellow/orange
melanin = black

anerythristic = no red
hypoerythristic = reduced red
hypererythristic = exaggerated red

axanthic = no yellow/orange
I don't know if there is a hypoaxanthic or hyperaxanthic.

amelanistic = no black
hypomelanistic = reduced black
hypermelanistic or just melanistic = all black or exaggerated black
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

We don't have to go anywhere you don't want to go, lol. I was just asking a question. Thanks for your explanation.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>We don't have to go anywhere you don't want to go, lol. I was just asking a question. Thanks for your explanation.
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It was just kinda funny since that topic has been argued here many times......LOL

There's another topic yet to be disputed but I will save that for another time.....LOL

Thank you again for the compliments Jorge....
BTW...you play a killer axe.....
I have a Black Les Paul Custom with gold hardware and all I can do is play rhythm.....LOL...that's all I could do for 15 years now......hehehe
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

les Pauls are awesome but I have a bad back, so I'd have to play it sitting down all the time. I have an Epiphone Les Paul which I will probably sell cause it's so freakin heavy, lol.

Yeah the Anery thing is a bit confusing to me. Especially with the floridana there seems to be a lot of confusion.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Jorge,
In the hobby we use all sorts of names for allelic compatiple recessive traits. the name really does not matter. What matters are they the same thing.

For instance, is the peanut butter the same as a hypo?
Is anery the same as axanthic? No! In the hobby they are not compatiple.

And that is all that needs to be known for us. After all it is just names that man assigns to animals. As we know, even nomenclature keeps changing their spp names.

But to clarify the Anery vs Axanthic names. I asked Dr. Bern Bechtel (who wrote the book on reptile genetics) what he thought. He said the terms can be used interchangably. For instance when does yellow become red? Orange? We all know that Florida king neonates have a lot of red. later this red turns yellow or sometime retains its red (ex the new Flames Florida kings we saw posted).

This is also evidenced in Dr. Bechtels book by the confusing pics , seemingly mislabled, such as a tricolor labled as axanthic and not anery.

So to the point... the axanthic i see in the splendida pictured look like the same recessive trait as the axanthic in Florida kings. I bet they are even allelic. If it was an anery, it would have a different "look".

So for practical and other reasons , yes it is an axanthic.

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I agree with what you said. But at the same time comparing them to the florida kings is not a good comparison is it? Cause Floridas differ greatly from themselves. In other words when I see that picture I could say one is a north Florida Anery and the other a south Florida anery. I do understand that breedings have been done between the two and they have been proven to be different. But no such tesy has been done with the splendida has it? If it has not been tested then, there is a chance that it could be one or the other? If we crossed the Splendida with both we would know for sure. Or if we cross the Splendida with a red Florida king and then breed the babies back we would know for sure if the resulting Anery/Axanthic showed any red. My point is when there is no red to iliminate we are assuming it is Axanthic and not Anery. Maybe I got some of that Paraquat too?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

There have been a lot of cross specific lines of testing done. personally i have bred hybrids and found that many similar recessive traits are allelic even though the two traits are hundreds and sometimes thousands of miles apart or are from different ssp.

I am not saying that the axanthic splendida and the axanthic florida are allelic. Just speculation that snakes do originate from one ancestor and recessive trait are shared even though these animals come from different geographic ranges and even cross subspecific lines.

below is a pic of a Whitesided blackratsnake (aka licorice stick blackrat) i crossed into the Whitesided Everglades rat (aka Ghost glades) . the result was the two traits were allelic (3rd pic).

WS Blackrat:

To a WS Everglades aka ghost glades:

equals this in the first generation:

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cool beans! That white sided Black Rat is impresive! I might have to get some of those, lol.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Here's the Axanthic gal with her mate....
Albino possible het hypo.....

BTW....
She is gravid....Fingers crossed for fertile eggs.....

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

one in a million!

>>one in a million!

Thank you Bob......She is getting huge too.....Bigger than most of the cal kings I used to keep......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

John, Your going to make me REALLY jealous too by telling me it has a nice disposition too right? LOL Again, Beautiful animal!

If I'm remembering right, doest Todd have an extrodinarily nice looking Splendida too that he's posted? Hook up?

>>John, Your going to make me REALLY jealous too by telling me it has a nice disposition too right? LOL Again, Beautiful animal!
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>>If I'm remembering right, doest Todd have an extrodinarily nice looking Splendida too that he's posted? Hook up?

Yep.....These two Splendida have never tried to bite me and have a great feeding response too......All around great snakes....

And Todd does have some nice Splendida, Holbrooki and getula from our area that are considered intergrades by most......

I did use a wild caught Refugio county male holbrooki of Todd's with my yellow amel speck......I don't think she took though......So I will try again this year and next......

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com