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DAILY ADVERTISER (Lafayette, Louisiana) 06 May 10 House panel sets size limits, conditions on reptile sales (Mike Hasten)
Baton Rouge: Prompted by poor conditions found at a snake breeder's facility near Oakdale, a House committee Wednesday unanimously approved Rep. Dorothy Sue Hill's legislation setting restrictions on sales and housing of dangerous reptiles.
Hill, D-Dry Creek, said neighbors of the "High End Herps Inc." facility near Oakdale have been complaining about their pets disappearing, possibly being used as snake food, and expressing fears that snakes could escape.
"It's the pythons and poisonous snakes I'm definitely scared of," Hill said. "The sheriff's hands are tied and the D.A.'s hands are tied because we don't have a law."
An ad on its website offering constrictors longer than the 12-foot limited allowed by state law without a permit prompted the Allen Parish Sheriff's Department to investigate in March. It contacted the Department of Wildlife and Fisheries after finding 22 pythons longer than the 12 feet limit that triggers current state law requiring a permit for ownership.
David Beauchemin, 43, and Tawni Beauchemin, 23, operators of High End Herps, were arrested.
Allen Parish Chief Deputy Grant Willis said about 300 pythons and other reptiles were being kept in "plastic containers you could buy at Wal-Mart" and could have easily escaped.
Some snakes were in wood and wire screen boxes.
A list of reptiles retrieved from the facility features numerous poisonous snakes, including cobras and black mambas, which had been imported and bred at the facility.
"Black mamba?" questioned House Natural Resources Chairman Gordon Dove, R-Houma. "That's a very fast snake. If it bites you, it's over. If it should get in the wild, it's a very bad snake. I didn't realize individuals own them."
"Children are living in the area, so there's a safety issue," Willis said.
Rep. John Guinn, R-Jennings, said he was "appalled that Louisiana would even issue licenses house poisonous snakes. That takes a sick individual to even be involved in that. If this would outlaw that, I'd vote for it."
Joe and Joy Lewis, representing the United States Association of Reptile Keepers, argued against the bill but said they would support stricter fines or violating state law.
Joy Lewis said they rescued the snakes from High End Herps and put them in better facilities. "Not all of us are like David Beauchemin," she said.
Joe Lewis said he doubts Beauchemin would comply with the law if it is adopted because he has ignored laws in California and Arizona and "he's not going to follow this law."
HB1354 requires licensure for any person selling, trading, or propagating certain non-indigenous or poisonous snakes or constrictors. It requires that anyone marketing constrictors longer than six feet (amended from 12 feet) or poisonous snakes to register them and obtain licenses.
Owners of such snakes must receive permits.
There's an exception for animal sanctuaries, zoos, aquariums, wildlife research centers, scientific organizations, and medical research facilities listed in the federal Animal Welfare Act.
State law requires secure structures to house snakes at commercial facilities that handle constrictors and poisonous snakes.

House panel sets size limits, conditions on reptile sales

"Allen Parish Chief Deputy Grant Willis said about 300 pythons and other reptiles were being kept in "plastic containers you could buy at Wal-Mart" and could have easily escaped."

Yeah...well duhh..so what? Go to any Reptile Expo.

This is nothing more than an uninformed opinion. Only shows the ignorance of our detractors.

I guess we need to do a better job of educating the general public as to our SOP's.

jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

Or stop using rubbermaid stacking racks. I'm sorry but they are a stupid idea its easy for those against us to do what this guy did and say there are unsecured rubbermaid containers and the general public will just thing we have rummermaids laying all over the place with snakes in them. Secondly the point is not to have as many snakes in as small a space as possible. yes rubbermaids can give a snake everything they need but they look bad it looks like you are giving your snakes the minimum amount of care you can. All reptiles should be in large well designed enclousures and if at all possible naturistically set up. NEWSPAPER AND RUBBERMAIDS DON"T DO THIS!!!!!
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"We don't inherate the earth from our parents, we borrow it from our children"

I have to say, I disagree. Plastic and paper are the way the go.
Aesthetics means nothing to a snake. Decor only matters to Humans.

It's all about simplicity and function. Plastic and paper minimize the complications. Nonporous surfaces with nice corner radius's and no seams, with an absorbent disposable bedding and under belly heat is a sophisticated as it gets.

No wood, no screen, no glass, no porous decorations, no heat lamps. Snakes are not lizards.

jsc

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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

That doesn't work for surplus animals, and most zoos use plastic containers for non-venomous animals that are not on display.

Yes. I was made aware of that best use practice decades ago through a very highly regarded herpetological curator of a well known zoo.
A person I consider to be the Father of Herpetoculture, as we now know it.

jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

John, my email to you got returned....your box was temporarily full.

Tell that to Bill Brant! Reptiles wont breed if the environment isnt stable. 150,000 animals a year!* Reptile mag. VM

"Rep. John Guinn, R-Jennings, said he was "appalled that Louisiana would even issue licenses house poisonous snakes. That takes a sick individual to even be involved in that. If this would outlaw that, I'd vote for it." "

That is nothing but an expression of ignorance, intolerance, and prejudice. I'll bet he's got his fair share of firearms.
From the land of David Duke. Maybe kin folk.

jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

"From the land of David Duke. Maybe kin folk."

Sorry, got my shorts in a bunch.

jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

"State law requires secure structures to house snakes at commercial facilities that handle constrictors and poisonous snakes."

"State law...poisonous snakes" speaks volumes. Probably just an error in fact by the writer...we hope.

jsc
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"As hard as I've tried, just can't NOT do this"
John Crickmer

All the time I grew up in Tx. People in Louisiana were never known for being the brightest bulbs in the box. I mean what kind of people stay in a city that is below sea level when a hurricane is coming their way? Then after a bunch of them drown they blame it on Bush.
If you ask me Katrina was divine retribution for all the people they set up with phony drug stings so they could confiscate (steal) their cars.