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Do lavender cal kings have burgundy eyes? What about albino lavender cal kings? They look similar in the pictures I have seen. Could someone post pics of each please?

There is one at the pet shop where I buy live rats for my ball pythons. A real pretty baby with an aberrant pattern.

If I wasn't so broke it would have come home with me! I think it liked me! LOL!
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Amy Claiborne

Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

>>Do lavender cal kings have burgundy eyes? What about albino lavender cal kings? They look similar in the pictures I have seen. Could someone post pics of each please?

Same morph...... Different degrees of hypomelanism will give them different looks, but ruby eyed is normal on lavender cal kings.......
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John Lassiter
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Thanks, John. I know that lavenders are hypos, but thought there was also an albino lavender. Maybe people call it that because of the eye color?
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Amy Claiborne

Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

Hey Amy. I think the lavenders are more of a T Positive than hypo.
There are varying degrees of lavender - some being really light and others being very dark - but all looking 'lavender' and having the ruby eyes.

Hope that helps some.

byron.d

Thanks, Byron. So, hypo takes away some of the dark pigment, brightening the other colors, right. That wouldn't explain the white bands turning yellow. Has anyone seen a lavender with white bands?

What does T do?
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Amy Claiborne

Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

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Amy Claiborne

Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

These are questions Kerby could answer for you. If this thread gets buried and forgotten, try posting it again later. I'm sure he will see it sooner or later.

Remember there are albinos and there are lavenders. When you say lavender albino, thats referring to both of those genes being expressed at the same time in one snake. If you are referring to the color of the regular albino when you say lavender albino, that makes it a bit confusing. At least to me. As far as I'm aware there are no white banded lavenders, but there are white banded albinos and hypos. That little bit I do know. lol I also think lavenders have more of a Ruby colored eye and albinos have more of a pinkish red eye. So the albinos eyes are a little lighter than the lavenders eyes. Then to complicate things more there is a blue eyed blond morph that looks a lot like a lavender as a juvenile.

As for the T positive and T negative part, I can give you a simple explanation. With albino snakes T negative is used for the lighter colored albino and T positive is used for the darker color albinos. I think originally the lavender Cal king was called a hypo, but because it has red eyes, a lot of people consider it a T positive albino instead. Hypos are not supposed to have red eyes but that is debatable.

Thats about all I can tell you. Hopefully someone will come along and correct me if I'm wrong. I wouldn't want to give you any false information.
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>>Remember there are albinos and there are lavenders. When you say lavender albino, thats referring to both of those genes being expressed at the same time in one snake. If you are referring to the color of the regular albino when you say lavender albino, that makes it a bit confusing. At least to me. As far as I'm aware there are no white banded lavenders, but there are white banded albinos and hypos. That little bit I do know. lol I also think lavenders have more of a Ruby colored eye and albinos have more of a pinkish red eye. So the albinos eyes are a little lighter than the lavenders eyes. Then to complicate things more there is a blue eyed blond morph that looks a lot like a lavender as a juvenile.

The term "lavender albino" has been used to death for any lavender snake....I think lavender cal kings are an extreme version of hypomelanism......

And yes a true lavender albino would be a double homozygot lavender and amelanistic at the same time, but I think the amelanism will cancel out the lavender....Much like a hybino....Not really a phenotyphic difference......

Blue Eyed Blondes are something totally different.....And I cannot explain it but I do remember arguing with Kerby years ago that they were different....Not until he got some did he prove them out to be different.....

The reason Amels have pink eyes and lavenders have ruby eyes is because of the amount of melanin being expressed. Lavenders are hypomelanistic in my book....Look at the extreme Hypo Hondurans....they look lavender and they have ruby eyes.......The blood color mixed with some melanin makes the color ruby looking......
When no melanin is present the eyes are pinkish red.....

Here's the disclaimer....
Just my opinions......lol
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Thanks for the clarification on the term albino lavenders. I agree with you one everything there. I just wish we could give all these morphs perfect self explanatory names like true hypo, level one extreme hypo, level 2 extreme hypo. lol Only in my dreams.
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>>Thanks for the clarification on the term albino lavenders. I agree with you one everything there. I just wish we could give all these morphs perfect self explanatory names like true hypo, level one extreme hypo, level 2 extreme hypo. lol Only in my dreams.

LOL.......Some are too far gone.....
Like hypo corns (black pattern missing not replaced by the absence of pigment), sunglow corns (amel hypo corns...lol) and anery hondurans (should be hypoerythristic...they have some red...it is not replaced with the absence of red = white).......

BTW....what is a true hypomelanism?
This should be the topic of another thread.......
Is it reduced black pigment or is it reduced black pattern?????
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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I've always considered a decrease in melanin or black pigment to the point where it didn't turn the snake purple, to be hypo. Then I started learning people consider these blue eyed blonds and lavenders with red eyes to be hypos. Then to confuse it even more, some people would rather call them T positive. lol I understand T positive when it applies to retic's, but thats about it. Then there are hypermelanistic cal kings that should be the opposite of hypomelanism, an increase in melanin but not a total increase where it turns the snake solid black. The problem there is it doesn't work like what the opposite of hypo should be. I guess there is no perfect naming system for these morphs. Like what you said about the Corn snake morphs, that just goes to show how complicated it can be.
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I agree with ya Ross......

Would a snake with reduced black pattern be a hypomelanistic morph? Or how about a snake without the black pattern at all?
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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Off the top of my head I would say no unless someone gives me a good example that changes my mind.lol The whole thing with that is if you can selectively breed snakes to lose that black pattern (like in zonata and corns), it shouldn't be considered hypo, IMO.
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>>Off the top of my head I would say no unless someone gives me a good example that changes my mind.lol The whole thing with that is if you can selectively breed snakes to lose that black pattern (like in zonata and corns), it shouldn't be considered hypo, IMO.
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I agree 100%.....
Candy Cane Knoblochi, Applegate Special Pyros and No Black Thayeri are not Hypomelanistic but they have reduced black.....pattern......lol

Then why is this Floridana considered Hypomelanistic.....The black it does have (on the head) is PURE BLACK.......

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

I don't know that morph very well. I'd have to see more pictures. Possibly a reduced patterned morph. I'm not sure at all though. Some morphs just don't fall in perfectly with the way we like to classify them.
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>>I don't know that morph very well. I'd have to see more pictures. Possibly a reduced patterned morph. I'm not sure at all though. Some morphs just don't fall in perfectly with the way we like to classify them.
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Ross,
They breed true and they are genetic.....
I was just trying to make a point.....
Hypo is used too widely......

If that Floridana is truely Hypomelanistic then these Thayeri are Hypomelanistic too....This trait is genetic as well.....

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Yes, I'd also say its used too widely. If you can still find black in the pattern on at least some of them, then it shouldn't be considered hypo. I'd call it a reduced patterned morph instead. And yes I'm aware there are reduced patterned snakes that are the result of a genetic trait. Thats why I called it a morph. There is one type of Cal king like that in LA Co. To me they are a lot cooler than animals that are just selectively bred to look that way because this can happen naturally in the wild.
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