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Clutch number 2 was a het albino to het albino-8 eggs, all hatched.
0.2 albino
0.2 visual het albino
1.3 normal

Clutch number 3 was a male mojave to a female normal. 10 eggs, all hatched.
2.5 mojave
1.2 normal

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What's a "visual het albino"?

Yes, I would like to know that also .

I'll bite...what's a visual het???

a blushed het? blushed normal?...I get both I think....

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The last time I bred this pair, I produced two babies that I thought were axanthic. When I posted pictures of them, I was told from several people that the hets come out gray in some albino lines and turn brown after the first shed, which they did. The two on the right of the albinos are identical to the ones I produced my first pairing, and will, I'm sure, brown out after the first shed. I believe the name I was told before was "blush albino". I remember last season someone posting photos of an albino spider clutch with what looked to be an axanthic spider. The general consensus was that this was a visual het albino spider and that it would brown out after the first shed, which it did. So, to the best of my knowledge, that would make the hets distinguishable at hatching.
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You should very much test that theory with breedings.
It would be really cool if that was set in stone fact...then people could tell hets when they hatched.
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I agree,but I would prove them out before I called them visual hets.

by many people......the blush line albino hets hatch looking like axanthics and change to normal coloration after their first shed. You can visually tell hets from non hets when they hatch from this line.

I get dozens of het amel a year...some are blushed some are not...78 % are not....some of my hets throw blushed some don't,,,,I think a male or two does,but not sure about all 3 albino males...the one is a yellow head....cool....the one was a white back...and they all came from Barczyck amel to start and hets from BallBoutique through Ian Gniazdowski....

....as mentioned...they probably are but....???
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Blushing albino....I make alot of them.....the hets come out blushed also....and maybe the normals.,haven't proved it ...I don't get normals from my het to amel breedings....YES they are more than likely hets....but if you are breeding het to het to get these...they will have to be called blushed 66% poss het albino balls...good luck selling them...I have alot of hets here yet...100% ....all sizes....they didn't blow out the door last year....

Good Luck...have fun......!!!

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JYohe, do you have your hets listed for sale here on KS or on a website? I'd like to see what you have.

John

no ads.....
Hamburg and home.....
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got 3 incubators full......forth to go....LOL....
we wholesale usually...less hasstle than dealing with 409987060654033 emails a day....and no sales...
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less hasstle than dealing with 409987060654033 emails a day....and no sales...

HAHAHAHAHA!!

Awesome.

These were first produced by.....ugh.....MKR
The yellow bleeds into the white as they grow and the head turns completely yellow.
It's not the same as a blushed albino....it's a specific line called blushed albino.

I know of at least 4 people who have bred visuals and what were sold to them as visual hets and each time, the 100% hets looked different until their first shed.

I think it was serpents den had a really good photo comparision on here showing the hets and normals as well as the change the hets and adults go thru.

Are they sure it's the one copy of the albino gene causing the axanthic looking babies and not some quick brown out dominant axanthic gene? If the combo makes good looking albinos I could see the two genes being kept together but if it is a 2nd gene it might be possible to that some of the axanthic looking preshed hatchlings aren't het albino. I think last time this subject came up all the examples came from breedings with albino males so where all 100% hets anyway. Not so many het albino males bred anymore so these possible het babies might be one of few chances to test if all the axanthic looking hatcling changers are het albino.

....the "blush" gene is it's own gene. MKR found this out when they bred the first Het albinos they received from Bob Clark.

MKR called it the "yellow blush" or "false axanthic" when these first hatched.

These "false axanthics" do get a little more normal looking in color with age but can always look different......"false axanthic" is a good description IMO...

A double homozygous "yellow blush" T- albino was described as hatching out looking like a "pink slug". As it aged and shed it turned more and more yellow. At 6mo to a year they can be 75-90 % yellow. The double homozygous albinos were/are named "yellow blush albinos".

It's safe to say that not all "blush"/"false axanthics" carry the albino gene I would think as the first breedings that MKR isolated the gene from were actually double hets NOT just het T-...... These double hets were not visual hets, they were 100% normal looking!

Hope no one has a head ache

....Randy, I thought you allready knew????

Best Regards,
Alan Cole

Thanks! I must have started to forget and the reports in this thread that it was actually the albino gene making the quick fade axanthic got me doubting.

So is it looking like that false axanthic gene is dominant? Sounds like the false axanthic snow combo makes a really nice adult albino.

Re reading it's sounding like you are saying the false axanthic is recessive. Suppose lots of people have it on both sides of their albino projects, especially if they start with one of those nice yellow blush albinos ("false axanthic snows" in my post).

Exactly, wonder if Jason has pics of the parents he could post? I'd be interested to see if the parents to that clutch are normal looking or "false axanthic" looking.

Also, these yellow blush albinos are low white as adults so the do not have that "high contrast" look that some prefer. Then again some prefer lots of yellow bleeding into the white like the yellow blush albino.....

Best regards,
Alan Cole

Mom and dad don't look like anything special to me. Of course, keep in mind that I'm color blind and things like fires and vanillas and such don't look like anything special to me either. I bought them from Bob Clark in 2002. Female is on the left.

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This was all done pre- MKR!

....the "blush" gene is it's own gene. Wes Harris made the Worlds first
simple recessive or false Snow Ball in 1999 before His MKR days by breeding
two Clark line Het albinos.

Wes says it is a   increasing xanthic gene hobbyist name yellow blush" or
"false axanthic" when these first hatched.

These "false axanthics" do get a little more normal looking in color with
age but can always look different......"false axanthic" is a good
description IMO...

A double homozygous "yellow blush" T- albino was described as hatching out
looking like a "pink slug". As it aged and shed it turned more and more
yellow. At 6mo to a year they can be 75-90 % yellow. The double homozygous
albinos were/are named "yellow blush albinos". Wes Harris still has the
original in His collection.

It's safe to say that not all "blush"/"false axanthics" carry the albino
gene I would think as the first breedings that Wes  isolated the gene from
were actually double hets NOT just het T-...... These double hets were not
visual hets, they were 100% normal looking!

Hope no one has a head ache  

Best regards,
Alan Cole

my amel blushed look like Jollif snows at hatching...
they are light...some almost white all over...and the pink shows through I guess on alot....yellow barely visable....yellow comes after a shed or two....

as said...noone really cares around here....amels an amel...

and they cry for cheaper......

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Glad your results are the same! Not really a dollar matter IMO, just an account of accurate history of this recessive trait.

Best wishes to you and your projects!

Alan

I was told the three Axanthic looking ones were Het for Blush albino by Brian from BHB and also from a few other breeders I showed the picture to. The breeding was Het Albino to Het Albino. Only one of those is a Female and I am hoping to prove here out this year, that is if my lazy ass Albino Male ever gets going.

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you believe what you want Skippy.....

I got them had them and sell them as normals cause noone gives a crap if they blush or not blush...hets a het....males are normals.....welcome to balls....

as you said...born axanthic looking till second shed? first? third?....got one that's a year okld and still shows...

amels blush out and turn yellow...with ,,,guess what??? a yellow head.....

Yep....they are everywhere.....

Ian and BHB is where I got my start.....and mine have been sold ALL OVER the place by Fred Kick and Ian Gniazdowski for yearssss now....so they are all over...

Just as Serpent's Den / Steven....he has them too / had them ??? no idea....saw him a couple months ago ,didn't have time to talk I guess....buissness....

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I'm very skeptical!

the black and greyish ones are amazing looking such a very nice clutch
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