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Ladies and Gentlemen:

I read the below thread regarding Terry Cullen, and while nobody within that thread mentioned taking such action, it has been seen in various capacities facebook, and other sources, where "individuals" are supposedly "raising money" for Terry Cullen's legal defense.

It is important to note for the safety of your own wallets, that Terry Cullen is ONLY working with Robbie Keszey at this time in regards to defense in his situation. While there is still very much a cloud of dust surrounding this incident and much to still be sorted out...before you make the jump to throw money towards a legal defense for Terry, please be aware that ONLY Robbie Keszey has been authorized by Terry for any type of initiative like this and that is IF and ONLY IF, necessary. If anyone else you find, is supposedly raising money, please do yourself a favor and do not donate.

If and when such a time may occur, Robbie Keszey will make it publicly known to the herp community, at which time, if you wish to assist and donate money, you're welcomed to do so.

Another important note: I do NOT hold a particular opinion on the situation at this time. I'm aware of some various information, that was only partially covered in news media, and beyond that...I will await full detail from police reports, etc. before making a personal opinion or judgement.

With that being said...at this time, it appears as if the police are still gathering further information. If it is taking them this long, I would have to say that there really isn't much to the initial allegations.

Again, before you make any true judgements or attempts to help...please be aware of the full details, at least as much as possible.

Best regards to all,

Chris

are you in some regards an insider to the situation? because the media has put such a B.S. twist on the whole situation and none of us have a real concept of the situation.

i still do not understand why they would take animals on a warrant if the warrant was for another allegation. it makes no sense to me and i am smelling a setup or at least some fishy business.
adam jeffery
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When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

I'm not defending the moves of the police in any way, but it's basic logic as to why they'd take the animals...
if you're a cop, and you receive a call that a person is running a meth lab from their house...and you show up and find a dead body, you're not going to ignore the dead body just because you didn't find the meth lab...

So basically they showed up looking for one thing, and found the alleged animal abuse.
They can't just ignore the "animal abuse" and walk out because they didn't find what they came for.
(I use "" because I, like many, don't know the exact story.)
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If all the beasts were gone,
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For what happens to the beasts,
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This isn't a slander on all police officers, but I have seen cases where they do just that: Ignore the animal abuse. I wonder if these were a dozen rabbits, or a couple of dogs, would they have reacted they same? Who knows. In any case, I am suspicious of the whole situation.
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the warrant as a basis to raid his place and were LOOKING for the animals. It was a SETUP!!!!! They knew what they were looking for... they killed his dogs like nothing. They were there in numbers and made a big deal about it!!!

Way more to this than people know....WAY MORE!

Kevin

>>I'm not defending the moves of the police in any way, but it's basic logic as to why they'd take the animals...
>>if you're a cop, and you receive a call that a person is running a meth lab from their house...and you show up and find a dead body, you're not going to ignore the dead body just because you didn't find the meth lab...
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>>So basically they showed up looking for one thing, and found the alleged animal abuse.
>>They can't just ignore the "animal abuse" and walk out because they didn't find what they came for.
>>(I use "" because I, like many, don't know the exact story.)
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>>"What is man without the beasts?
>>If all the beasts were gone,
>>men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
>>For what happens to the beasts,
>>soon happens to men.
>>All things are connected."
>>
>>-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)
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thatswhat im saying kevin. you dont just have the support to remove all those animals on stand by unless you knew ahead of time what you were their to take. i was always under the assumption that a warrant only had a certain scope that the police could search for. if they were their for a meth lab then they should have only been able to remove evidence that was associated with a meth lab. dead bodies are one thing, having a bunch of animals that apparently were caged and housed correctly is another.
this was a setup and a bad one at that. as far as what ever the origional charges were and what the warrant covered....we may not know for quite some time.
adam jeffery
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" a.k.a. farfrumugen "
When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car.

I can tell you that City of Milwaukee laws prevent the ownership of monitors, tegus and crocodilians. No permits are offered. Snake wise the law is up to interpretation. The law is no dangerous snakes, but that is determined by the officer on the scene.
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however this plays out, the one thing that seems unexplainable to me, is how the police show up to a secure location, and shoot the dogs. it's not like those dogs were outside wreaking havoc. there is no reason, they could not wait for tranquilizers and or collaring equipment. those dogs were doing, what by law, they are allowed to do - protect their owner's property. this was handled like some pablo escabar raid.

I don't know anything about the reason for this raid, but killing the dogs was too much. It would be hard to imagine the dogs hiding quietly waiting in ambush for them to come in. They must have known the dogs were in there.

Where is the Humane Society when you need them?

Although I agree the livestock tubs, aquariums and such sounded like reasonable housing to me, some might think otherwise. But the dogs alone makes me wondering why PETA isnt all over that one! they seem to be in everyone elses buisness..
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Amen brother! Where's the HSUS?