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These came from my Abbott Okes and were not mixed with anything else! I do have some I mixed with the polk Hypos but these ain't them, lol.

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Beautiful snakes? I also like the Polks. I want some! I really like my hypo stripe and lavender, but those bright colors make mine seem drab!
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Kent

0.1 Hypomelanistic striped cornsnake
1.0 Lavender cornsnake
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase

I meant "beautiful snakes!", not "beautiful snakes?" !!
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Kent

0.1 Hypomelanistic striped cornsnake
1.0 Lavender cornsnake
1.2 Gray-banded kingsnakes, blairs phase

I 'll post some pics of what happens when I breed the Polks to an abbott! Those are nice. I'll post them separately.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>These came from my Abbott Okes and were not mixed with anything else! I do have some I mixed with the polk Hypos but these ain't them, lol.
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why are you calling these hypos?
every one of them has BLACK borders.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
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Draybars Snakes

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My thoughts also! Jeff

yeah I said the same thing on some other forums. I guess they are not true hypos but they are definately brighter and have less black than the Parents. Especially the last two. I know what you're saying this is one is a true hypo but not from Polk or Abbott.

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

I forgot to ask this in the post above. Is Hypo the complete absence of black or the reduction of the black pigment?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>I forgot to ask this in the post above. Is Hypo the complete absence of black or the reduction of the black pigment?
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>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
>> J Sierra

black is reduced to varying shades of grey to nothing.
you won't have "black" like that on hypos.
maybe a few small touches of black.
way way too much black in those okeetees. Brighter colors do not mean hypo they just mean brighter colors..especially when you have that much black
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Yeah I see. That's what I had originally thought too. However in the Kingsnake and Milksnakes forums I was told by some prominent breeders that reduction of black is also considered Hypo. On second look those first two should not have even been posted, I agree. But the second two have greatly reduced black borders and especially when you consider the Parents are Abbotts with pretty thick borders. Maybe they should be calles Hypo-ish, lol. I bet if I continue to selectively breed these without adding outside genes, they will gradually loose all black. Unfortunatley both of these are males. Actually all four are males. Does anyone else see this kind of Dimorphism in there Okeetees? Where the males are better looking than the females, or display certain traits that differ from the females?
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>Yeah I see. That's what I had originally thought too. However in the Kingsnake and Milksnakes forums I was told by some prominent breeders that reduction of black is also considered Hypo. On second look those first two should not have even been posted, I agree. But the second two have greatly reduced black borders and especially when you consider the Parents are Abbotts with pretty thick borders. Maybe they should be calles Hypo-ish, lol. I bet if I continue to selectively breed these without adding outside genes, they will gradually loose all black. Unfortunatley both of these are males. Actually all four are males. Does anyone else see this kind of Dimorphism in there Okeetees? Where the males are better looking than the females, or display certain traits that differ from the females?
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>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
>> J Sierra

the borders may be smaller but the black itself is not reduced.
The black is black
with hypos the black will not be black it will be grey to non-existant. Small or thin black borders are not the same as reduced black. Do you underdstand?
You can have so many different looks from clutch to clutch and even in the same clutch. That's what makes them so fun.
these are okeetees and none are hypo

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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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OK I agree with you. This was my original stand before I had so many people on the other forums say that reduction of black was also a form of Hypo. I have flip floped on this subject a few times, lol. For instance those Polk Corns were considered to be hypos by some. Yet they still have small amounts of black on them.

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>OK I agree with you. This was my original stand before I had so many people on the other forums say that reduction of black was also a form of Hypo. I have flip floped on this subject a few times, lol. For instance those Polk Corns were considered to be hypos by some. Yet they still have small amounts of black on them.
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>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
>> J Sierra

the one pictured looks like it could be a hypo
Sometimes it is hard to tell by photo but the checkers on the belly look more dark grey then actual black and there aren't really any saddle borders to speack of.
I didn't really go deep enough before and could be confusing on this but ...yes, there is and can be a reduction of border size in hypos as well so a normal with very thin to non existant black borders can be confusing. sometimes only breeding can prove it out. when you do have "black" present in a hypo it won't actually be "black" but dark grey to light grey or basically what appears to be faded black.
Like when you have a black t-shirt and wash it repeatedly and it is no longer truly black but faded or muted.
I hope I'm making some kind of sense, I feel like I'm talking in circles without really being clear
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Yeah I know what you're saying. I guess other people have different Ideahs of what is Hypo. I agree with you, which is what I originally thought, lol.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra