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With the black phase, Granite phase (in varying degrees) and the Hypoerythristic.....There are some never seen before Mex Mex on the horizon.....

Some of these will be up to size for breeding by the end of the year.....some will not....These are all 2009 hatch. The ones that I have had the longest are all over 2 feet long...The others are smaller and a couple have been picky feeders but all are doing great now......

Just wanted to share some pics as these are one of my favorite King snakes of all time....

Hypoerythristic Line Female......Nice Nuchal Striping......Bob Applegate Lineage.....Produced by Tom Agosta.....Purchased from Shannon Brown

Granite Phase Female....Produced by Don Shores....

Granite Line Male...Produced by Don Shores....

Split Saddled Female....Nice Light Ground Color....Produced by Mark Kenderdine.....

Granite X Black Phase Female....Produced by Ryan Hoyer....

Granite X Black Phase Male....Nice Nuchal Striping.....Produced by Ryan Hoyer....

Black Phase Female...With Cool Split Saddles....Produced by Ryan Hoyer....

Black Phase Male...Produced by Edz Exotics.....Lloyd Lemke Line....

Black Phase Female...Thick Black Borders....Produced by Edz Exotics.....Lloyd Lemke Line....

Hypoerythristic Line Male......Very Long Nuchal Stripe.....Produced by Tom Agosta....Purchased from Shannon Brown...Bob Applegate Lineage....

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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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You've got quite a colony there John! You have made me a Mex Mex fan!
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J Sierra

>>You've got quite a colony there John! You have made me a Mex Mex fan!

Thanks Jorge.....
Glad I could sway another one over to the dark side.....LOL

BTW....Those are just my up and coming Mex Mex......I've got more adults as well as some of Shannon Brown's over here to throw into the mix......These are going to be fun for sure......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

The nuchal striping is really attractive against that broken up pattern. M&Ms are my favorite kingsnake (remember when they called them M&Ms?) - look and feel like a montane king but are as resilient as a Cal king.

This is the species that got out of the snake bag in my Toyota 4x4 during one Summer. I found it inside the vehicle 2 months later, alive and well. That snake grew up to be a fat, thick momma.

Back in the day, you could get dark ones, light ones, inbetweens, red, orange, maroon, etc. All were one low price. And now, if there is any hint of darkness, price seems to go way up.
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Mark

A couple those look familiar. You sure I didn't produce at least one?
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Boneyardreptiles.com

>>A couple those look familiar. You sure I didn't produce at least one?

LOL....I am sorry Karl....dangit...I forgot to put your name on them......

You produced the 1.1 Hypoerythristic line with the nice nuchal striping........Your male and Shannon's Female........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

I thought so. I remembered the Woodstock head(Peanuts cartoon)under the stripe the last one has.
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Boneyardreptiles.com

Yep...I remember M&Ms as well as SLPs and Potosi's.....LOL

I also remember longer nuchal stripes......I hope to work on producing some like I remember seeing pics of so long ago with almost 1/3 of their bodies striped.......

The reason for the price going up on the dark ones is because there aren't many Black Phase Mex Mex anymore....And now with the thought of mixing in the new Hypoerythristics and Granites they are even more desirable.....

Also...nearly all Black Phase Mex Mex can be traced back to Mr. Lloyd Lemke......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

Those are AWESOME!!! I've never seen any quite like that.
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>>Those are AWESOME!!! I've never seen any quite like that.

Thanks Ross....
There will be some more "NEW" ones to see in the next few years....... Black Hypo-E Granites???????........LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

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Has there ever been any breeding done to show if Black x Granite bred to another Black x Granite, will produce anything other than normal offspring?

I took a long look at them, and almost bought a pair from Ryan, but in the end, I went with straight black phase. Seeing how the babies weren't granite, and of course hadn't turned black yet, I couldn't force myself to pay the higher price. I couldn't really find any examples of it being done. So are you treating these as "double hets".
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Brian Suter

www.serpenteer.com

>>Has there ever been any breeding done to show if Black x Granite bred to another Black x Granite, will produce anything other than normal offspring?
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>>I took a long look at them, and almost bought a pair from Ryan, but in the end, I went with straight black phase. Seeing how the babies weren't granite, and of course hadn't turned black yet, I couldn't force myself to pay the higher price. I couldn't really find any examples of it being done. So are you treating these as "double hets".

Brian,
As far as I know no one has bred a Black X Granite to a Black X Granite......
Next year I plan to as the ones I got from Ryan are growing great.
And no....these are not "double hets" because the Granite and Black phase are line bred traits.......I know there were some wild caught black phase Mex Mex, but when bred to a classic Mex Mex they produced "in betweeners".....Same goes for the granite phase.....
And....The granite that Ryan used wasn't a great example of the Granite potential.....Actually it was a rather weak example.....So I am going to mix in the totally speckled gene as well as some nice black ones.......We'll see what we get in the near future.....i can't wait to see the Hypo-E gene expressed on a tire black Mex Mex........
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com