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So far this season i have hatched out a clutch from Painted Yellowbelly X Paint,and they are almost all shed out now..Until then here are some of the pre-shed pics that have been taken thus far.

Here is the link to that folder (,and i will add more as i take them)picasaweb.google.com/coldthumb/PandoraXPYBs#

Here are some updated comparison photos(,and as you can see the Super Paints do get much lighter as they age.)

Here's a link to that folder (,and again i will be adding photos to it as i take them.)picasaweb.google.com/coldthumb/2008And2009FemaleSuperPaints#

..with any luck i'll get a second clutch in the next few days..Will be my male supers first clutch(bred to Paint).

Hope everyone is having a great season!..(Better late than never..lol)
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Charles Glaspie
picasaweb.google.com/coldthumb

That last picture is just awesome !
I really like that male !
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love this world, don't hate it.

>>That last picture is just awesome !
>>I really like that male !
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>>love this world, don't hate it.

Thanks much!..That male is definitely one of my favorites (what am i saying,they are all favorites.Otherwise they would be gone!..lol)
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Charles Glaspie
picasaweb.google.com/coldthumb

You really hit the jackpot on those man! Now turn them into albinos, and ghosts, and clowns, and axanthics, and..... I think you get the idea! lol
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Stu
Snakes N Gex.com

>>You really hit the jackpot on those man! Now turn them into albinos, and ghosts, and clowns, and axanthics, and..... I think you get the idea! lol
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>>Stu
>>Snakes N Gex.com

hey thanks Stu!..I've got a couple different ideas to run with. ,but wait til you see that Paint female i mentioned down @ Raleigh..She's already an axanthic,or something or other.

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Charles Glaspie
picasaweb.google.com/coldthumb

excellent!
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>>excellent!
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>>Proud supporter of USARK and Kingsnake.com
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>>Kyle
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>>"be safe, be happy and dont let anyone make you afraid"
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Thanks kyle !
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Charles Glaspie
picasaweb.google.com/coldthumb

Super amazing. Nice animals! Best wishes on your clutch.
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>>Super amazing. Nice animals! Best wishes on your clutch.
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>>Cheers,
>>Jessica Gibbs
>>Ball Pythons; Corn Snakes; Green Tree Python; Jungle Carpet Python; Bci; Bcl; Bco
>>3.0 Crazy Dogs and 2.0 cats
>>Some Tropical Fish
>>...........and growing!
>>LEARNING PREVENTS IGNORANCE OF THAT WHICH SURROUNDS YOU...AS LONG AS THE SOURCE FROM WHICH YOU LEARN IS A VALID ONE.
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Charles Glaspie
picasaweb.google.com/coldthumb

Charles, those are amazing! I especially like the older, lighter version.
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Alice Cobb
Florida Reptile Room

>>Charles, those are amazing! I especially like the older, lighter version.
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>>Alice Cobb
>>Florida Reptile Room

Thanks Alice,..,and it really amazed me everytime they shed.Each time,they lightened from a copper color to more of a bronze look in certain places.

I'm really curious to see what some of the crossed supers colors are going to grow into now!
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Charles Glaspie
picasaweb.google.com/coldthumb

Oh look...more super paints...
Haha.

Awesome snakes.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

nice charles--they look great--we have two clutches of super x super hatching of our sentinels which I still think are the same thing, or maybe the difference is as minimal as lesser/butter. The color on my 3 adults was different than yours as babies, but as adult they look light like that one. We just hatched our first clutch of het sentinels, or paintballs. Do you think that these are also the same thing as the matrix ralph has?

>>nice charles--they look great--we have two clutches of super x super hatching of our sentinels which I still think are the same thing, or maybe the difference is as minimal as lesser/butter. The color on my 3 adults was different than yours as babies, but as adult they look light like that one. We just hatched our first clutch of het sentinels, or paintballs. Do you think that these are also the same thing as the matrix ralph has?

Do i think that the Sentinals will prove out? Yes i do..Do i think they are the same thing as Paints? No i do not..Do i think they could be compatable? Quite possibly,but i see a greater color difference than Butter versus Lesser,more like Mojave versus Lesser.

What is Neo?..Only Ralph truly knows that one.
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Charles Glaspie
picasaweb.google.com/coldthumb

I agree 100%--Mine were so much more vivid and colorful as babies then yours are(no disrespect meant). I just thought it was a variation, but I am glad you feel that way--now I dont feel so bad calling mine something different than your proven line.

Here are mine as babies. Note the bright orange coloration.

Put the Het Paint next to the Het Sentinel and that should seperate them out if there is much there to stand out as different. Comparing the Supers is not always going to give you the entire answer. Breeding the HETS together from the 2 seperate bloodlines and making a Super that you can't tell which way it leans visually is the ultimate test to tell if they are genetically the same or perhaps alleles with slight variations! This is what needs to be done across the board to see how these slightly different yet visually similiar looking genes are related/connected and until it's done it's just talk to me.

Just like Phantom x Mojave COULD still end up NOT visually looking "just like" my Potions .. A Phantom Potion hasn't been shown yet and visually speaking this shouldn't be the case IF in fact Mystic and Phantom are genitically identical BUT are they? Or in the end is Mystic more like a Mojave yet with something else extra going on that the Phantom doesn't quite carry is my next question after seeing the HUGE variation in how the various Potions visually look? Perhaps the Mystic is the intermediate link between the Mojave and the Phantom as something evolved from something and there likely is a step or genetic shift within somewhere. Another question is will there be a huge variance of how the Phantom Potions end up looking leaning towards the indication that the Mojave side is where most of the visual variance of these Potions stems from ? Will a Phantom Mystic "Super" look just like a Super Phantom or just like a Super Mystic or somewhere smack in the middle of the 2 Super forms, and will those vary much visually or not??? Alot to learn yet still if you keep an open mind I'd say!

Just think we are talking about snake genetics here, most people would never guess there could be so much going on ! That's why I have followed Python Regius so close over the many years , trying to understand just how these things tic genetically is so very interesting if you just sit back and try to absorb it all ! Keeps the people that follow it from getting bored that's for sure! Years of research well worth it just to finally know the answers! More important to me to understand the genetics than just the selling snakes for $$ part . Selling a % of them annually just allows me to do what I like which is map out genes, see how they react to one another and try new crosses once your onto something that "in theory could be wicked"!

Anthony McCain

I agree.

I say you two should trade a male for a male and try interbreeding the lines next season.

Then we'll know.
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"What is man without the beasts?
If all the beasts were gone,
men would die from great loneliness of spirit.
For what happens to the beasts,
soon happens to men.
All things are connected."

-Chief Seattle (Duwamish Tribe)

that makes perfect sense anthony. I still have yet to see what a paintball looks like, but we just hatched out another 2 het sentinels, and man are they variable. Same amount of variablity as in yellowbellies. The markers are all the same, but the colors and patterns surrounding the markers are variable.

Will all come out in the wash man! That variability stuff is likely a blessing for us all , sure it makes us pull out our hair wondering where you draw that line visually or if you have simply just looked at it to long to the point you pull some friend aside that doesn't know jack about snakes to get your mind back to the basics of plain obvious , the classic variability issue will drive you nuts if you let it I agree ! The word "vague" covers alot of genetic ground doesn't it! But if this was easy everyone (interested in knowing that is) would have figured all this out by now and then we wouldn't have much to talk about on here other than how hot it gets in florida or how crappy it is in Iowa about late January with -15F and 15 inches of snow that's clearly in my way , LOL....

As for yours looking like Yb's, are you saying the markers are pretty much the same (belly lines, belly color, flames, head and labial marks, background coloration etc etc) if so I guess I didn't know that but also have not seen one in person either. You need to bring one by sometime at a show for me to ponder over a little, might even have a thought or 2 you could run with and see what else you get 4 results, that is if I notice something that seems odd enough to me... Worth checking out for fun I think! Same goes for you Charles you need to introduce this stuff to me in person , might talk me into another project once I start feeling left out of the fun, it's happened before that way you know. I doubt the funs over yet either unless the politicians really do think they know more than some of us about Reptiles and their natural limits! Makes me wonder where some of these people went to college without failing Biology 101 or if they even had that class at all, EVER!

Anthony McCain

I meant the same as yellowbellies not in markers, but just in how some people cant see yellowbellies at first. Subtle like a yellowbelly to the untrained eye.

Glad you clarified that as you had me stumped there for a minute as from the pics I didn't see the Yb similiarity much at all so thought I was missing something , lol... More like a weird grantite effect going on from what I recalled.. Bred yours into enchi yet, could be interesting?

Anthony McCain