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Hi, got a quick question...I bred my red albino male to a female reverse okeetee...Would I get back any reverse okeetee in the clutch...is the a difference between the reverse and the albino okeetee's ? As baby do they come out with more white compared to regular albino's?..thanks in advance..
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Hector

A reverse Okeetee is just an amel/albino just like an Okeetee is just a normal corn. However, with reverse Okeetee there are thick white borders around the blotches that would be black in a normal okeetee. I would suspect these babies would look more like regular amels. Some may have thicker white borders due to the reverse okeetee influence. Enough to be called reverse Okeetee?? Probably not. It will probably take some line breeding of the babies back to the mom to get that thick white border in future generations.

Yep, I think Kevin summed it up pretty well. I'd also say that there are few few "Albino Okeetees." This would mean the amel offspring of an Okeetee - and that hasn't happened very much. There are folks who incorrectly call Reverse Okeetees "Albino Okeetees" - but they aren't the same thing.

Tim

Third Eye

The female that laid for me is exactly like yours but has more of the white around the borders...Not sure if yours has a yellowish tint or its the camera...I'll see when they pop out and hold back some of the better looking babies...
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Hector

That sounds like a good-looking snake!
Mine got yellow as she aged - she's 12 years old.

Tim

What is the difference between an albino Oke and a reverse Oke? I thought it was the same thing?
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J Sierra

A reverse Okeetee is a selectively bred amel - like sunglow.
An amel Okeetee is an amelanistic version of an Okeetee Corn.

Tim

Seems like splitting hairs but I think I understand what you mean. I guess I just think of all Okes with bold Black Borders so in the albino form would be a reverse Oke. But I get what your saying, thanks.
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J Sierra

It's two very different ways to acheive the same goal. If someone were born rich and another person made their own fortune, it would be two different ways to achieve the same goal - I wouldn't consider that to be splitting hairs.

You can't just "make" pure Okeetees produce amel offspring. And if you breed an amel into an Okteetee line, than you no longer have "pure" Okeetee corns. The idea that two Okeetees would produce an albino is a very unlikely scenario (though it has happened at least once).

Tim

Yeah there is a difference I admit. I never really thought of it that way. You're right, but since there is only one instance of a true albino Oke than there really only is one of the two you mentioned, that is playing out. It's just that somepeople are farther alonand some are just starting the process with an Oke and an Amel?
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J Sierra

I that only one of the two scenarios that you mentioned are playing outat different stages of the process, since most, if not nearly all Reverse Okes were started from using an Amel that was not an Oke, correct?
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J Sierra

Howie Sherman is the only person I know who has produced albinos from Okeetee locality corns. And the last I heard, he's only produced one (and it was only a couple of years ago). So virtually all amel corns with wide white borders on the market are Reverse Okeetees.

Tim

Tim, I do believe all normal "Okeetees" are from hunt club locality stock specifically any longer. I guess I follow the "Okeetee morph or phase" line of thought, with some breeders being known for the consistency and beauty of their lines more so then their locality of origin.

Kevin,

You make a good point. There' an Okeetee locality and an Okeetee "look" - which can come from any locality. I should have clarified that I was talking about Okeetee Hunt Club locality corns when I was writing about "Albino Okeetees."

Tim

you will get albinos, and amels.....LOL

....(some will ,and some will not have the whiter bordering)....

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