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I was just woundering this because you don't ever really see them avalible that often. Ronnie

FR bred them many years, how sad none of his many babies sold have been bred???
wow what a grate investment for someone in for $$$
but for an animal lover its enough to stop producing them.

so all you guys seeing FR as the varanid puppy mill king, think again. dont be offended and dont take this as an insult, just ask yourselfs why on earth with all the animals he has generously provided you with, where are they?

eventualy all those gems will vanish without a trace and leave place to the new flavor of the month.

This post is for the guy who asked if captive produced reptiles have any singnification (other then personal enjoyment and education they dont)

rgds

That's a very good point Jobi. I've heard people lay claim that the absence of his babies in the hands of others is proof that he never really bred that many. That's a very sad supposition, and obviously not the truth.

you know peapoles think I am rude, I am not quit the oposite.
I love animals and been keeping monitors almost none stop 30 years, and it sadens me to see no progress has been made in there husbandry. sure keepers can keep them alive a little longer, but this is where it stops. when some start go get it right they grow out of the hubby or turn to somthing easyer.

so guys like me witness 200,000 to 400,000 imports die every year, ad to this 50 to 200cdn captive produced and you get the picture how upsetting it is for me.

I dont condem the keeping of monitors as I know how fun and interesting they ar to keep, however I will only devote time to the most dedicated keepers. a rare breed of keepers.

rgds

Jobi, i am new to this,not keeping monitors but keeping them right-giving them a quality of life and at the same kind satisfying my selfishness.i am already seeing patterns,i brought up on another site my thoughts on the demand of bluetails that are bred in captivity.I am no where near to that point,just like an alcoholic one day at a time.But if one were to breed bluetails,selling the beautiful babies won't be hard-explaining to the customer they might not have traits as adults that will they like is where i see a problem.Like you i see people sticking to the easier species and not dedicating to the less so called deirable.People like you and Frank are rare.And i hope nobody takes offense to my comment about which species people keep this is personal preference none of my business.
I don't find you rude you act in the best interests of the animal,It's always our pride that takes offense Thks Moe

we all start the same, see one, whant one, get one! in my case got 100s. no dough its a plesurable and educationing venture, some of us will stay devoted to them thruout life, I know my passion has never deminish and will probably not anytime soon.

we see new keepers come and go, they catch the bug as we did but ar inteligent enough to mouve farward and do something els with thire lifes.
if you stick to it you will suceed in producing baby blue tails, every body with half a brain and dedication can do it, however the real problem is not selling your babies, its realising that all of them will die of neglect in the hands of keepers you trusted, its not really thire faults and theres no need to lose friendships over a lizard, but if you breed them be advised that pepoles buying them do not always have the same passion, in most cases its the flavor of the month syndrom.

I usualy try to discourage peaples from getting into breeding projects, but if thats what you really whant, them optaining a good pair will be the hardest thing, doreanus arent easy to sex, jobiensis on the other hand ar very easy to sex and have amasing color potencial and blue tails.

cheers

this is pretty deep,when my current concern should be making sure my bluetails get enough crickets with the occasional fuzzy mice LOL happy Canada day to my fellow Canadians... Alberta soon to be over taxed B.C Moe

I don't think most people have the space to breed monitors...

its not the space, its the commitments and dedication.

unfortunatly most of todays herp husbandry heals from snake keeping, witch is totaly diferent in many ways. most snake keepers do a pour job at keeping monitors. you cant neglect a monitor if you do it will not perform. to be happy a monitor need constant support. monitors need involved keepers to suceed as captives. cage size is unimportant if you dont provide good support. in any case monitor keepers should master the use of smaller cages befor working with large ones (pen size) its not onlt a question of size.

What kind of support do you give your monitors. For example how do you give them support that snake keepers often don't give a monitor.

monitors ar higher energy demanding then snakes, they need dayly support otherwise they fail.
support is food, water, and all husbandry care related.
I know snake breeders who feeds bi-weekly and service rack systhems once a week, this is imposible with monitors.

Yeah I agree the snakes are defineatly low maintenace compared to these guys.

I'll be trying to find a suitable female within the next year and will start soon thereafter assuming I find a female V. a. Microstictus.

Any pics of your female?

Don't have a female, yet. Just the male. Been waiting a year for them to pop back up on the market but nothing yet. Not too common just like Capes.

when you get a chance at some, females have shorter stubby bodies, males ar more elonged (see my above photo)
cheers

Thanks Jobi, will be keeping my eye out. Did you raise that pair? Definitely is V. a. microstictus.

heres some from the past.

Cheers

memories....man i miss my pair...