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Yeah I thought Jeff Schofield wanted to see these. I like the hypo brooks/Goini myself because they retain the red better than other hypos. I have one patternless male that is a deep red (male #2) and i bet it will be a knockout when it grows up.

What fasinates me most about these is not the red but the patterns on the heads. I may just collect some closeups of the head pattern pics by themselves. Can't get any better art than that.

female #1- This was the dog of this small group. But the rest really look cool.

female #2

female #3

female #4

Male #1

male #2 -He is my fav!

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I know it was for Jeff, but am I allowed to say wow? I like male #1 best.

Just kidding, lol. Those two males are stunning! Do the males tend to come out better than females as a rule?
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Do the males tend to come out better than females as a rule?

Yes the completly patternless ones always seem to be male. But some of these females have very little pattern.
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Those are KILLER Rainer.......
I like their variability......

Here's a little group that just hatched over here.....

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Those are pretty variable John. Is there a striped or patternless morph you can breed into them that will create spots, dashes, bands and stripes as well?

I mean why not. You can name them the Variable Variable king.
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>>Those are pretty variable John. Is there a striped or patternless morph you can breed into them that will create spots, dashes, bands and stripes as well?
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>>I mean why not. You can name them the Variable Variable king.
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No Rainer these do the variability thing without morphs or hets and such.....lol

All colors of leonis phase, intermediates and milk snake phase in one unpredictable clutch.......
But there are some cool aberrants and leopard thayeri out there to throw into the mix........ Melanistics too.......

And these may be het for hypoerythrism...... But it has to be proven out......

Btw...... Those hypo go ini you hatched out are some of the nicest I have seen......congrats!!!!
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John Lassiter
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No Rainer these do the variability thing without morphs or hets and such.....lol

I didn't mean recessive traits. I was speaking of simple recessive pattern traits you could breed in to your stock. That would be considered a "wild" type as well.

You know hybrids behaive very similaraly to the vairable kings. You get something different out of every egg once the second generation is establised.

Anyway, it was just a suggestion to add any abberant Variable kings into your current stock. I bet you won't see abberanies in the first gen but they do show up in the second gen. Sometimes very spectaculary.
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>>You know hybrids behaive very similaraly to the vairable kings. You get something different out of every egg once the second generation is establised.
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>>Anyway, it was just a suggestion to add any abberant Variable kings into your current stock. I bet you won't see abberanies in the first gen but they do show up in the second gen. Sometimes very spectaculary.
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I agree with you Rainer....... Thayeri usually throw offspring that resemble the offspring's grandparents (recessive traits).........

As for aberrants in my collection..... I am already working on getting some leopards.....
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Rainer, finally back online, sorry I couldnt respond but that HUGE email gummed up my system a while,lol. I thought you had like 22 females with all the pics, was going to ask what you did to get that ratio! I gotta agree with Fliptop, I think that male #1 will turn out better than #2...but I cant see the whole animal. These are super nice because the bellies are usually clean yellow. The males are almost always better looking than the females, but no one has worked on refining them much. The Goini gene bring the variability, and one can only imagine some or Rainer's stranger morphs crossed into this line right! A albino one of these would be a truely day-glow king! Great job there buddy! If I didnt just get another 1.3 of these I may have had to get these...and still might at that! This old pic is a comparison shot with a blaze of the same immature size. Note how much lighter it is...

Oh you like the lighter red. See i prefer the deeper red because I would like top keep the deeper solid red color into adulthood.

Though i have never seen an adult patternless deep hypo red. So i guess knowbody knows what they will look like?

I tell ya, it looks a lot like the patternless Blaze Phaze goini as babies.
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Rainer, its not a lighter or darker red necessarily. Alot has to do with the head scalation, I LOVE the solid color heads. The pattern and color will fade a bit, but nothing compared to blaze fading. And I know you are working on blaze multihets, working morphs into THESE are what I'm working on! Still trying to figure out if this yellow one I have is a xanthic or what...not knowing sucks!

Is that yellow one of the light solid colors babies off of mark bells table?

I was thinking of breeding the red hypo goini into one of these.

A lavender goini x brooks.
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But I am choosing to work with the Blaze more and beed it into that to see what developes. I like surprises. A red hybino goini would be to predictable.
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Rainer, first you would make the multihets, and they arent so predictable. Then creating the hybino I had the idea of using the E.King gene. Too much brooks and I think you get too much pattern. I know from having SEEN(not doing it myself)that eastern x goini the pattern is alot more variable...which lends itself to more patternlessness.