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Is anyone else working with this cross? This is my first clutch from this pairing and they came out pretty neat. I was hoping for some everglades white-sided, but can't tell from neonate coloring. The patternless albino was a nice surprise though.
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better pick of the patternless
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Clutch size was 11, with a 100% hatch rate at 54 days at 82 degrees. 8 double het normals, 2 licorice sticks het amel, 1 amel, and one amel patternless. Love multi-het animals.

Clutch size was 11, with a 100% hatch rate at 54 days at 82 degrees. 8 double het normals, 2 licorice sticks het amel, 1 amel, and one amel patternless. Love multi-het animals.

I assume you bred a het to het to get thse.

that would make them all "possible" hets for the non visual traits. For instance your Licorice sticks would be possible het amel. Your normals would be possible het for all three traits.

I also think your amel patternelss is a Amel Licorice or better term a Amel Whitesided. Most likley you won't see any pattern or you might see a tad after the first shed. But isn some instances with the whitesided trait mixed with other receissive traits creates a white looking amel or a white luecistic looking animal if bred to a hypo.

BTW i bred the Licorice Blackrat (Whitesided blackrat) to a Ghost glades (aka Everglades Whitesided ratsnake) about 10 years ago. The Whitesided trait was allelic between the 2 subspecies and all came out whitesided. The pattern was lighter than the Blackrat and more yellow. I still have pics if anyone is interested i will post them.
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>>BTW i bred the Licorice Blackrat (Whitesided blackrat) to a Ghost glades (aka Everglades Whitesided ratsnake) about 10 years ago. The Whitesided trait was allelic between the 2 subspecies and all came out whitesided. The pattern was lighter than the Blackrat and more yellow. I still have pics if anyone is interested i will post them.
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>>www.Bluerosy.com

I'd be interested in seeing pictures. I've seen adult whitesided yellow rats and black rats, but I've never seen the whitesided intergrades as adults and I'd be curious to know how they turn out.

>>Clutch size was 11, with a 100% hatch rate at 54 days at 82 degrees. 8 double het normals, 2 licorice sticks het amel, 1 amel, and one amel patternless. Love multi-het animals.
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>>I assume you bred a het to het to get thse.
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>>that would make them all "possible" hets for the non visual traits. For instance your Licorice sticks would be possible het amel. Your normals would be possible het for all three traits.
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>>I also think your amel patternelss is a Amel Licorice or better term a Amel Whitesided. Most likley you won't see any pattern or you might see a tad after the first shed. But isn some instances with the whitesided trait mixed with other receissive traits creates a white looking amel or a white luecistic looking animal if bred to a hypo.
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>>BTW i bred the Licorice Blackrat (Whitesided blackrat) to a Ghost glades (aka Everglades Whitesided ratsnake) about 10 years ago. The Whitesided trait was allelic between the 2 subspecies and all came out whitesided. The pattern was lighter than the Blackrat and more yellow. I still have pics if anyone is interested i will post them.
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>>www.Bluerosy.com

post th pics...I'd like to check them out
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Man,I'd love to see pics of those babies! Thanks! Jeff

Cool, I'd like to see updated pics after they shed. I'm especially interested in seeing how those licorice kids look compared to a licorice black rat (if there even is a difference in appearance at this point).

whitesided glades from that pairing. Blacks and glades are separate subspecies, not separate traits. You will only get glades/black integrades that should look lighter than a black, but not as orange as a glades, regardless if licorice, amel, etc. Some of the young may favor one subspecies or the other, but regardless of how any of the babies look, none would be considered a pure black or pure glades.

>>whitesided glades from that pairing. Blacks and glades are separate subspecies, not separate traits. You will only get glades/black integrades that should look lighter than a black, but not as orange as a glades, regardless if licorice, amel, etc. Some of the young may favor one subspecies or the other, but regardless of how any of the babies look, none would be considered a pure black or pure glades.

they are allelic....check out bluerosy's post
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Corn snakes and rat snakes..No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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that you will not get Glades regardless if the animals produced are whitesided, checkerboarded, or even patternless. The babies are integrades. I was under the impression the OP was wondering if he got whitesided GLADES. Any whitesided or other animals he got are not pure glades, regardless of how they may look.