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Stand Design

Aquatic_Mouse Jul 02, 2010 12:43 PM

I'm planning on building a stand for my ball python & corn snake cages. The ball python is upgrading to a 75 gallon and the corn snake to a 40 gallon critter cage.

Attached is a picture of what the whole thing will look like. I would like to build it out of regular 2x4s, but I know snakes have issues with pine and respiratory infections. Will this be a huge issue if I make the stand out of it?

I also would like to build a cage lid for the 75 gallon out of 2x4s and screen mesh. Could this cause respiratory infections?
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Replies (3)

markg Jul 02, 2010 01:12 PM

Where on earth did you hear that using pine for some shelves or a tank lid would give a snake a respiratory infection? Not true.

There are far worse things used in home construction. Pine is the least of the snake's worries. It will not hurt anything. Well, maybe if you immersed the snake in pine oil, but I doubt you will be doing that. Or use pine shavings, wet them thoroughly, then seal the snake in a box with the shavings for 7 days. Again, I doubt you will do that.
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Mark

Aquatic_Mouse Jul 02, 2010 02:11 PM

No one told me using it for shelves WOULD cause a respiratory infection. I have been told not to use pine for substrate. That's why I was asking, because I hadn't been told either way. I just want to do what is best for my animals.

markg Jul 06, 2010 01:04 PM

I hear you. Being near pine (as in the shelves or lid) is different from being in pine, as in laying in or on sappy pine shavings. So absolutely no problem with pine as a building material for supporting cages.

And the rambles..
Kiln-dried pine shavings are likley no worse for your snakes than any other wood product. I say this only as someone who used pine for many many years with very long-lived snakes on it. Yes pine does contain those nasty phenols, which in high concentration in limited ventilation are not good. But dry pine shavings have very little of the chemical left in it. I suppose with alternatives like aspen and hardwood chips, there is no need to use pine. These products use marketing to their advantage and lead the consumer to believe that pine is not safe. Pine oil is not safe. Dry pine wood is fine in many cases.

Glass is inert. But think about all of those enclosed rack systems with plastic boxes being heated from below. I wonder how many bad chemicals are released from that? At herp-related temps, perhaps the amount is negligible. The substrate probably traps most, but still the discussion is interesting. Pick your poison I guess. I have moved to FDA-approved plastic boxes (polycarbonate) that are considered safe when heated to 180 deg F. Much more expensive but are also far more durable than the typical storage box.
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Mark

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