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this is the original female wc "temporalis" from Chesapeake Va. Never thought I would be able to pair her up but after many years and alot of hunting I now have 1.3 wc's from this locale and they are variable which I like. Should have the first f-1's next year...........finally! More pics to follow.

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Very nice, Brad. Glad to see some new localities popping up out there. That sounds like an excellent project.

Here are some Carteret county, NC elaposides I will be trying to breed next year.

Dave
DNS Reptiles

Va beach animals really arent new, Carl B gave me one about 15 years ago after he had it for years without finding a mate. They are found once in a while, the new thing will hopefully be some CB specimens. There are plenty of other Coastal plains locales other than the 4-5 most popular ones. Shoot, you can find them along the old train tracks in DC proper! The popular counties are popular for a reason usually, be it more red, hypomelanism, easier to find or bigger animals.

Well like the subject says it's a CHESAPEAKE not a VA BEACH though they are very close. Wasn't the coastal you're speaking of a male and actually from Chesapeake not Va Beach? I have a pic of it here from CB and knew he got rid of it after many years of not being able to pair it up. Point being technically speaking in the hobby this will be a new locality. I actually had 3 wc females before I finally found a male(it never happens that way!). I wouldn't call having one animal from a locality a new locality since it can't be bred. I have had a male Currituck Co NC temporalis for probably over 10 years or more but FINALLY found a female this year so that's what I call a new locality(when there's a locality pair that can reproduce)

.......another and another and another new county....

you making me drool man.....LOL....

.......like a differnent Brad told me about my reds...."feed them things more and hurry up and breed them"...(I told him I feed all they'll take...it's not up to me.....they go at their pace...)...

.good stuff......new stuff.....good....!!!....

....(10 years....sounds like an eastern here ...my brother caught in '89 and started me keeping snakes again....10 years later...99' finally ,my brother found a female under the same rock ,in his father-in-law's fireplace outside....cool...I can breed them....and the male died....wow....that sucked...LOL...)....now if someone would actually see the white snake in his front yard someday....the father in-law saw it all the time in the 90's...he is color blind and would see a white snake while cutting grass....noone else ever saw it /them.....(garter)....

...Keep Us Posted for sure.....
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Brad, I think we met in 01? You had just found the Currituck and Ted K had a Va Beach I thought you were to pair it with. I dont know how many years ago that one I had, but if you have pics of it...WOW! I've been through 3 computers and lost a ton of old pics. That Hyde has to be what>> 25years old now? From up here Chesapeake/Va beach may be 1 locale, but females first with no male huh?? Strange. It took me like 10 years to get a established pr of Monsters, and look at TT with his WS project about 20 years in the making. Just goes to show us all what kind of patience it takes to work with these snakes.

Well from down here we consider Va Beach OR Chesapeake to be different locales with VERY isolated pockets of temporalis. I havent found any in Va Beach yet but I'm working on it just waiting for the right conditions to find them. I know of two locales in Va Beach where they are and one is a state park. The locale I'm interested in finding them is south closer to the Chesapeake city line and bet they will be as variable as the rest from the southeast.

Good on ya man.... glad to hear you had success this year!!!

Chris

cool....that is different...top view makes it really different ......can we get a side shot pleeeease ?...Thank you very much.....what is the top size you think for them also???...and let us all know when the kids pop out....!....nice snake....!! Thanxx for the post and locale....

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Your patience in acquiring some others of that specific locale has paid-off well!

good luck producing more of those little gems!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Very nice Brad. I hope all goes well with them. One day I'll get some from you and Ted. See you up at Teds or Hamburg. If I ever get a chance to get up there. Take care Chuck

You sure this isnt an Amel cornsnake. Where do you live? could you post a pic of the vent! Could you post a pic of fresh feces? Thanks alot..

J.Davis
"biologist and hepetoculturist, self taught"

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>>You sure this isnt an Amel cornsnake. Where do you live? could you post a pic of the vent! Could you post a pic of fresh feces? Thanks alot..

Nonono. This one is obviously an elapsoides, or maybe a thayeri. Try separating THOSE from the anal plate.....
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

I am speechless.

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Chris Jones
King of Kings Reptiles

http://www.kingofkingsreptiles.com/

"All the fancy names in the world will be of no help if you do not know the difference between chocolate pudding and pig poop." -Frank Retes

>>I am speechless.

Jeez, take a chill pill. It was a joke. But didn't ya ever hear of milksnake phase thayeri??

Interestingly, the breeders claim that's an amel thayeri in the pic. I never heard of amel thayeri before. Think it's a hybrid?
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

Those animals appear to be Lampropeltis leonis (=mexicana "thayeri") X L. ruthveni hybrids, based upon the features I can see in the photo. It also makes sense, since the amelanism mutation in mexicana-complex animals originated in ruthveni. Many captive leonis (thayeri) are not that at all... but are, instead, hybrids. Pure-blooded animals are still found in some collections, though, including a few of the posters on this and other ks.com forums.

This is the same reason I stated that many captive cornsnakes cannot be used as comparisons for ID purposes - a fair number have got genetic material from other Lampropeltines in their nuclei, and thusly having the possibility for a non-standard phenotype.

-Cole

Thanks Cole, you're as helpful as ever.
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters