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Hi everyone,
this is my first post and hope the image comes up.
I have a question about the Brooksi phase. I read that the name was given to the lighter Floridana animals that come from the south. So is a light Floridana called a Brooksi or is this a total different line ? I tried to put up a picture of a girl i bought last week as a hypo Floridana. Can someone explain me the difference an the origin Brooksi phase ?
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Tanguy
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the brooks class is from a region that i am quite familiar with unlike many that seem to be,including the morph makers that always praise their stock as? is ?unfotionatly my f-o stock is exstinct not to say theirs is not,lol a true dade co. are awesome but human/immigration takes land and toll and s. dade is white shell rock BULLDOZER PERFECT

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Surrender Dorothy!

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I was giggling my ass off over what he said, and your response..LMAO!!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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it's a challenge sometimes,huh?
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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New Computers are awesome, esspecially if you know how to use them last night during cocktail hour i was saying the brooks is challenged PERIOD.... Floridana Too are challendged unlike brooks who still have Everglades Natl' park Flamingo park Rd. Short story i woulda used my old windows experience and COPY PASTE Now have win7... to do this but, se la vi !! BTW its beer time and only one more month til Possum Day WooHoo! L8r my friends

The so-called "brooksi" were once thought to be a separate subspecies of Florida king. Since that time long ago, it has been more accurately re-classified as just simply a clinal variant of floridana.

Also, it was once thought that the lighter individuals were ONLY found in extreme southern Florida, and they can actually be found in a number of different places in the Florida peninsula, including in, or very near where the other darker forms range. It is thought that these lighter brooksi forms are basically found around the lighter colored oolitic limestone rock that is prevelent along many of the man-made canals that line these canals in southern Florida. It seems that the darker one's tend to be found where the earth is much darker, as in the muck around the cane fields around Lake Okeechobee and such.

They have been called brooks for so long, today breeders still tend to refer to the lighter colored ones as "brooks" kings, even though there are many different morph varieties of these produced today.

The Pinellas area of Florida is also renowned for having exceptionally pale yellow individuals that are known as "sulphur" brooks.

The term "brooks" today tends to be FAR too over-used, and alot of people throw the name in there even for the much darker normal forms for marketing purposes because it is looked at as a more revered name as opposed to a Florida king, but in essence, they are all just different variations of floridana.

regards, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Hey, Doug,

Do you mean Hillsborough County as opposed to Pinellas? Though I've yet to see a wild one in either county, from what I've seen online, the Pinellas ones seem to be darker with fewer crossbands.

Thanks!

actually, yes I did mean The adjacent county of Hillsborough, rather than Pinellas County,..thanks!

Yes, there is a very dark intergrade from Pinellas that is nothing close to a yellow "sulphur"..LOL! Lindsay Pike has bred these for a long time now, and are pretty distinct in their own way.

thanks again for input on that!

I wonder if there has EVER been a real yellow "sulphur" type found in Pinellas. Nick Mesa, and a few other's might know if there ever were any documented from there.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

The area of Hillsborough County where the Sulfur kings originated is pretty well separated from where the lighter colored Pinellas kings are found.

The lightest colored Pinellas king I have seen is the one on the cover of Hubbs' book. I wouldn't be surprised if there were kings even lighter than that in the wild. The trouble is that kings are very rare in Pinellas County, and most of the rest of peninsular Florida, so even if at some point there was a population of very high yellow kings there, they are most likely gone.

Yeah, I certainly dig what you are saying there Nick. Optimum, supportive habitat only gets smaller and smaller every single year. Very sad in that respect.

Thanks for chimin in man!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

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Very nicely colored king there Christopher!

Is the adult pic there the same snake when it was a youngster in the other two?

Was that a W/C from Pinellas, or Hillsborough?, or a youngster from someone's line from those areas?

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

......I see that it is indeed the same animal by the head markings..LOL!

I like the fact that when you look closely at this stuff, it is so interesting to see exactly what some snakes look like over a long period of time.

Alot of times it can be almost impossible to believe some pics are of the same snake with all the color/pattern changes some can go through.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

..with what doug said.

Doug thanks for sparing me having to type all that out. I am so glad you got to it first! LOL!
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LOL!!, I hear ya man!..

Recently, I have tried to use my head a bit more, and store away some of these shpeels(FAQ's)in a folder, and simply copy and paste them into posts that are on the same topic.

I sure wish I would have started doing this a LOOONG time ago too, lots of good subject matter is long gone ..

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I sure wish I would have started doing this a LOOONG time ago too, lots of good subject matter is long gone ..

Ho ya, I hear ya! Try and spend 10 years here and see how many indepth posts there were on a subject that comes up every once in a while. It is frusttratiing when all you have is bits of memory.

I wish the search function would actually work here on KS so i could just find it and copy and paste. But the search function really does not work well here like it does on other sites..
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www.Bluerosy.com

.....and yes, most of the time trying to find certain specific posts on a topic in the archives is all but impossible, and an hour later I just give the hell up..LOL!

Yeah, I DID have the smarts to start saving some interesting snake histories on some of the snake morphs, as well as some very speculative/questionable one's too.. It sure is handy to have some of this cool stuff saved and available when ya need it.

I won't even mention some of these, because as you know, it could easily start up another drama avalanche here if anyone read it..HAHAHAHAAAA!

It really IS funny how often we can see some of these identical subjects pop up from time to time, it is like a revolving door that is BOUND to come back around sooner or later..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Thank you for the reactions, so it it safe to say the only difference is in the colors !? It is not regarded as a subspecies. Any thoughts om the picture i posted ? normal floridana ? hypo ? brooks ?

It is a hypo

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definite hypo!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Thank you guys !