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Unfortunately we had a power failure today and it fried my thermostate that was controlling egg incubation. So temp probably dipped to 78-78 for a couple of hours. When power came back wife found that thermostate was toasted so plugged heat source directly into wall outlet. Unfortunately i didnt have the funds to purchase a back up power source. What do you guys use? I checked back up digital temp and it was reading 90 not sure for how long maybe an hour. I got the temp back down to 82. If I introduce a male to the female now is it possible she could produce a 2nd clutch? Is it possible to tell if the eggs are stil;l viable?

Did't we just answer your question 2 days ago.(see EGG SALAD below)
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"He's down in the basement staring at his snakes " My Wife

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Doug L

Yeah---it just suxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and i hate to loose.

Are you saying your AC went out and your place got to 90?
Or are you saying your using a heating device on the eggs that went out? DO you have a basement?Please read my advice from your other post 3 days ago tittled EGG SALAD.Im thinking 90 degrees for a few hours won't hurt them but 70 - 80 degrees are far safer when mistakes are made.
Good Luck and show us some pics please
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"He's down in the basement staring at his snakes " My Wife

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Doug L

>>"we don't use incubators for colubrids........but I heat the room..."

Are you saying your AC went out and your place got to 90?
>>Or are you saying your using a heating device on the eggs that went out? DO you have a basement?Please read my advice from your other post 3 days ago tittled EGG SALAD.Im thinking 90 degrees for a few hours won't hurt them but 70 - 80 degrees are far safer when mistakes are made.
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Ok I made world class rookie mistake. I had an incubator set up with a heating element thermosatical controlled. The power for at least my city block was out for a couple of hours and when it came back on my wife thought that thermosate was fried -it wasnt responding for her. So she plugged the heating element directly into the wall socket. I checked the digital read out and it appears temp went up to 90/91?-not sure how long for. So i fiddled around with the thermostate device and got it working -rite now I have it at 80 degrees. I am testing out the temp in my upstairs bedroom closet to see if it holds steady in the 70-80 degree range if so is it too late to take them out of styro/incubator set up and place them into a small sweater box type holder and let them stay in the closet with no heat source. Basically I already had things set up befor I got the reply posts-- never had eggs before and panicked/over excited and didnt want to loose them. So if I can salvage anything I'll keep you posted.

"ADD MAYO" Well if I have to use mayo on anything its got to be "Helmans" LOl-- I actually dont like egg salad and I really dont like snake egg salad--makes me sad.

Do you have a basement ?
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"He's down in the basement staring at his snakes " My Wife

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Sorry --no dont have a basement. Was gone for a little while--4yr olds b-day.

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>>Sorry --no dont have a basement. Was gone for a little while--4yr olds b-day. My closet has been reading around 78 degrees so far last several hours though.

No, 90-91 won't kill them for just a couple of hours, and into the mid-70's here and there DEFINITELY won't harm them, it will simply slow their development ever so slightly as opposed to 80-81 for that duration of time. Slight fluctuations aren't bad for the eggs, and slight evening dips might even be somewhat beneficial by letting the embryo rest a bit here and there. They will ALWAYS hatch in the mid-to upper 70's, it will just take longer(about 2 days difference for every 1 degree difference).

What IS dangerous, is getting into the higher temps past the mid 80's and into 90's!.

I suggest that if you cannot keep things at 80 or so with whatever you are using without absolute certainty of nothing going wrong, simply place them in a shoebox up on the top shelf of a closet with a reliable simple thermometer. Heat rises, so in a closed closet, it will likely be in the upper 70's. That is FINE!!!

When this is met, just make sure it is ONLY just moistened substrate, and not too wet, and BINGO!!!....little slithering crawlies will appear in about 70 plus days!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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>>No, 90-91 won't kill them for just a couple of hours, and into the mid-70's here and there DEFINITELY won't harm them, it will simply slow their development ever so slightly as opposed to 80-81 for that duration of time. Slight fluctuations aren't bad for the eggs, and slight evening dips might even be somewhat beneficial by letting the embryo rest a bit here and there. They will ALWAYS hatch in the mid-to upper 70's, it will just take longer(about 2 days difference for every 1 degree difference).
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>> I suggest that if you cannot keep things at 80 or so with whatever you are using without absolute certainty of nothing going wrong, simply place them in a shoebox up on the top shelf of a closet with a reliable simple thermometer. Heat rises, so in a closed closet, it will likely be in the upper 70's. That is FINE!!!
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>>When this is met, just make sure it is ONLY just moistened substrate, and not too wet, and BINGO!!!....little slithering crawlies will appear in about 70 plus days!
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Ok got everything set-temp is holding at 78 in the closet with only moistened substrate and digital temp gauge. Hopefully little crawlies in about 70 days---thanks all.

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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Doug (or whomever) --

Since the OP is worried about the viability of his eggs, how about candling them? I know you CAN candle herp eggs, but I also know that it's easier to damage herp embryos by candling than it is to affect avian embryos. How many folks candle their snake eggs?
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

I guess it's a personal preferance but I've never felt the need to candle. If a egg looks like it might be good I'm going to give it a chance no matter what candling shows. When it no longer looks like it might be good, in the trash it goes.

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Randy Whittington

Sorry for the inappropiate photos. For some reason I was thinking I was in the kingsnake forum.
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Randy Whittington

I am going to "candle" these fine looking beauties that were laid last night, only with a real candle, and held in the flame itself..LMAO!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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I found a half a clutch of those yellow beauties myself yesterday. I candled them and got scrambled eggs, go figure.
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sorry for them....

....and the mayo part....ever think of actually eating snake eggs?....of course they would have to be fresh and duds....I have had handful of big fat ball eggs and thought of it for a second...but I cannot actually do it....it's in our brain not to....gross...LOL...

better luck next clutches....

what were they???....
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LOL!!....yeah, I don't think I would be thinking about eating any dud eggs anytime soon.

What really sucked about it, was it was from a possible triple homozygous snow(pearl) Hondo x ghost breeding. It would have proven the snow out to be a pearl if ALL were ghosts, as well as having 50% ghost het amel offspring, and 50% anery/het amel and hypo(hybino) if he was only het for hypo.

He was bred to two other ghosts though, so we shall see.

~Doug
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"triple homozygous snow(pearl) Hondo x ghost snow pearl ghost het amel anery/het amel and hypo(hybino)"

You think all that double talk is impressing the girls Doug?
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"He's down in the basement staring at his snakes " My Wife

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Doug L

LMAO!!!,...I know, to really explain about that particular breeding practically gets me out of breath to be quite honest! ;

That is a good part of the reason the forums can be so fun. It is all the funny comments that are made.

Like YOURS!..hahahaaaa!

~Doug
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>>What really sucked about it, was it was from a possible triple homozygous snow(pearl) Hondo x ghost breeding. It would have proven the snow out to be a pearl if ALL were ghosts, as well as having 50% ghost het amel offspring, and 50% anery/het amel and hypo(hybino) if he was only het for hypo.

Oh, well then....if it was just a stupid old **hondo** litter, then it's just as well that they were duds.....

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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

"Oh, well then....if it was just a stupid old **hondo** litter, then it's just as well that they were duds"

Exactly!..LMAO!

~Doug
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I was thinking that but man how cruel to actually say it out loud....

...ouch!!!!

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they remind me of slugs now....you ruined my brain ...

or was it the Chinese buffet ....?...
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Sometimes the truth hurts...
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

I really just do as Randy mentioned. If the eggs look nice, I incubate them. If they look sort of questionable, I still incubate them.

Only after I see for a FACT that there is no hope and they are very obviously bad, I remove them from any others as not to attract any gnats, or fungus growth that could jeopardize any other eggs at all, or get the enclosed air rancid and stale.

Over the years, I always cut any even SLIGHTLY questionable eggs over the toilet, to verify my good instincts about them before they are tossed in. And thankfully, I have never been wrong yet!...(knock on wood!..LOL!)

~Doug

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Interesting info, guys, thanks!

I guess that soft shell really does make a big difference. It's usually very difficult to tell whether a bird egg is live or dead without candling -- unless it explodes, which unfortunately does happen sometimes.

If my incubator had a temp spike, I'd candle the eggs immediately and then probably a few days later to check for continued viability of the embryos. But of course I only incubate bird eggs, not herps!
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

Candling them this late in the game certainly won't hurt, but it probably won't be diagnostic of viability or birth defects. In my experience, candling is useful to determine whether there is (or is not) an embryo, and whether it is actually growing, into the first few weeks. I don't know anything about candling bird eggs, but by the time most birth defects would be visible in a snake egg, the embryo is usually large enough that the egg just appears dark and opaque under the light.
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I personally have never candled an egg...thousands and 20 years
temp spikes won't kill
read mine below...my temps are all over the place
eggs in the 70's I never did...
and the eggs I dropped on the floor have 3 heads out and 4 out now...but there are like 4 clutches so they aren't all hatching at once....

...all this crap...and all they have to do is wait and say...HEY GUYS ...I found out that 91 degrees for 2 hours WILL kill some peoples' eggs...LOL...or not....

.....wait....wait and see....

(all this for the OP not you really Doc except the candle part)...

having fun yet....??..

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After a few days bad eggs begin to look like Gabby Hayes instead of Roy Rogers.

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"He's down in the basement staring at his snakes " My Wife

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Doug L

Hey, 'tweren't nuthin bad about Gabby Hayes!
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

Now HERE is what a bad egg should look like --

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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

you got me on that one
but when the eggs grow fur on them I think of Gabbys beard

Jack Elam,I loved that guy
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"He's down in the basement staring at his snakes " My Wife

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Doug L

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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

I bet rattlesnakes turned and ran when they saw him

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"He's down in the basement staring at his snakes " My Wife

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WONDERFUL pics. What is that second one?
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

>>WONDERFUL pics. What is that second one?

I meant the second snake, not the second pic....
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

....awesome cryptic camouflage!

~Doug
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I will take a guess and say Speckled (Crotalus mitchellii pyrrhus).I sure am no crot guy though.Maybe one of the experts here can ID it
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It is indeed a Speckled Rattlesnake(C.mitchelli pyrrhus)

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ok trys these

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#1........Dice Snake(Natrix tessellata)

#2........Mexican Cantil(Agkistrodon b. bilineatus)

~Doug
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how bout this guy?

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"He's down in the basement staring at his snakes " My Wife

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LMAO!!,....that one looks to be a "tic-tac" pinkie x Mini Dachshund intergrade with a VERY cool lookin winter sweater!..HAHAHAHAA!!

~Doug

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Eumorpha achemon (Achemon sphinx), brown phase.
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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

You are spot on with that one, no room for debate there thankfully... unless of course... no, he couldn't know this as well

Gerry

wow I'm impressed
I wasn't sure what end the head was on
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....AND SO WERE SOME OF THE WOMEN

Lee Van Cleef

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"He's down in the basement staring at his snakes " My Wife

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0.1 Peruvian rainbow boa (Amaru)
2.0 Brazilian rainbow boas (Arco, Olho)
0.3 Honduran milksnakes (Chicchan, Chanir, Hari)
1.0 Thayeri kingsnake (Coatl)
0.0.1 Mexican black kingsnake (TBA)
2.7 corns (Cetto, Tolosa, Uce, TBA)
1,000,000.1,000,000 other critters

warm at night
no complaining
no allimony...alimony?...can't spell it...never had it
no yelling if you date her sister
and you can cook them when you tire of them...and keep the hide on the car seat.....

LOL....

I am really joking....well...I do cook them....still like real women.....without the BBQ sauce.....

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somewhere in one of the longer rambling posts I put the long version of this...

short version....my colubrid temps go from 78 to 88 all the time and I get better results now that they do....before it was 82 pretty consistant..for years.....heaters wear out and the things don't hold...too lazy and cheap to buy new one every 6 months...so they go up and down and all....and it works...90 ain't much at times....let them be -and keep them going....pray too....

we don't use incubators for colubrids........but I heat the room....

...have fun......don't set them outside...100 here today....sucks....LOL....

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