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As commission Chairwoman Stephanie Stephens said, no one wants to see an animal mistreated, but what about the responsible pet owner who keeps an animal in good condition and forms a mutual bond of trust an affection?

Nope, testified the bird advocate, they shouldn't have a pet either.
It's a dog fight, or cat/bird/hamster fight at City Hall

They have to be among the worst hypocrites out there, who believe they should have their birds, but want to see aviculture ended.

Groups like the below "Avain Welfare Coalition" don't believe we should be keeping parrots -
http://www.avianwelfare.org/aboutus/principles.htm
(Amusingly, they have toned this down a little, they used to have more extreme wording on it - but it still mentions the "rights" of birds...

http://web.mac.com/fosterparrots/iWeb/FOSTER PARROTS/ADOPTION .html
Along with many other parrot related sites and so called "rescues" - remember, according to them, "Supporting the pet trade through the purchase of a parrot is unconscionable"

But then they'll adopt you a bird at market value after you jump through their hoops...

I love this stuff too -
http://web.mac.com/fosterparrots/iWeb/FOSTER PARROTS/New England Exotic Wildlife Sanctuary.html

Cause, you all know there are plenty of families of African Crested Porcupines & Patagonian Cavies out there in the shelters in need of homes...You know this guy buys animals.

(Sorry, I just get so disgusted by these people)

Thank goodness for the AFA!
(They haven't become anti-breeder anti-keeper yet)
http://www.afabirds.org/

The AFA is a great organization - we did their annual show in San Antonio a few years back for our bird site

Ravenspirit,

>>They have to be among the worst hypocrites out there, who believe they should have their birds, but want to see aviculture ended.

Unfortunately, it's more than hypocrisy, it's the formula of special interest protectionism to achieve their objective...For most congressional bills that actually become laws, all it takes is a 51% majority and viola...Objective achieved. Like the Endangered Species Act (ESA) and later during the HR-669 hearings, all "they" are looking for is the appeasement of just enough "groups" to accomplish the mission...In return for their support, the appeased group receives recognition and protection for what they want and they are happy...For now.

The group thinks that they have achieved something real but in reality, it's only a matter of time before "they" come for them...After all, when a government can ban something, they've already created the "legal" justification for banning most anything...They only have to change the name in the [fill in the blank law or ordinance] and POOF, the next thing is banned. Sadly, the very group(s) that are protected now are also on the target list...They only think they've escaped...They are mistaken.

>>But then they'll adopt you a bird at market value after you jump through their hoops...

And like the zoos, etc, they get to continue to work with animals under the "protection" of ordinance or law...For now. Sound familiar? It's legal "bribery" under protectionism...Remember, it's about the end justifying the means.

Later,
Jim.

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CSRAJim

That was a great post. I went to the New England bird sanctuary website.

Hows this for convincing yourself buying exotics is ok:
'By concentrating our focus on parrots, we are extending a vital service to a commercially marketed “pet” that begins its journey at a disadvantage simply by virtue of its wild nature. By opening our doors to other exotic wild animals that also suffer as “pets” or in captive situations, we are placing parrots in their proper context along side other wild animals, reminding people that this is, in fact, what parrots are.'

Yep, also go read the placement part. They want you to give them $30,000 to place a young parrot there! Seriously, go read it.
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CDieter
'Reason, observation, and experience; the holy trinity of science.'

These places are insane in general, and I'd NEVER suggest anyone "adopt" animals from them. I really can't believe people are willing to agree to this stuff!

A few of the heavy handed policies "parrot rescues" utilize - IF you adopt a bird from one of the local ones here, here are some of the RULES you have to sign a contract that you are OK with -

1. None of the birds from the rescue can be used for breeding purposes, entertainment or educational venues, or given away, including to family and friends. They are pets only.

2 If for some circumstance you can not keep the bird, it must be returned back to our rescue.

3 We have the right to check up on the bird in your home at ANYTIME to make sure it is being properly cared for and still in the possession of the adopter. If the bird is not in your possession, you will be fined.

I guess I understand the breeding clause, but at the same time, really, no entertainment or educational venues? You have to take the bird back to them if you can't keep it, so its basically still their bird then. After you PAY these people market value (or usually around that) for an animal that you get from them, if something happens, it goes back to them, and they keep the money, and get to sell (oops, "adopt it out" it again.

I'd say, just buy a baby or a consignment bird from someone and FORGET these loony's!