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someone offered me a female pastel for 100$, but there is one catch. she only has one eye. she was born missing an eye and the guy said shes fine except for the eye missing. its scaled over he said. would this be dumb on my part for getting her or should i not worry about the eye missing. i have a male spider so when she gets up to size i was going to try to breed them and hopefully get some bumblebees. but if shes not going to be ok with the one eye missing then i wouldnt want to get her. thanks guys.

once again i posted a pic that i didnt want to!!! thats just my spider. sorry. im going to try to get a pic of her next time i go see the guy.

i wouldent buy it especially when you can buy a perfect male pastel for the same price! and males can breed by the end of there first year so theres no wait issue.. personaly i try to only purchase the very best of the best for my own collection its been proved many times over that selective breeding gets selective results. this one eyed male may be fine as a breeder and even through nice perfect babies but for 100 dollor male either way perfect or imperfect i think its a no brainer going with a top notch perfect male its not worth the chance that he may have internal issues as well! IMO stay away from it! REGARDS

sorry i mis-read the post and thought it was a male pastel but i still wouldent waver the way i feel about it even a pastel female is not that much more! its really up to you i just wouldent want it myself. regards

I would hesitate to purchase a "defective" animal like that for breeding purposes. Missing eyes and kinked backs can be signs of genetic problems (among many other things, including incubation temp, of course). But you never know if the missing eye might be a sign of lack of genetic diversity from too much line breeding or some other problem. Just my opinion there.
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Like someone else said, you can get a "two-eyed" version for not much more!

I'd really like to know more about what causes the missing eyes.

My female spider came from a clutch of spider X presumed totally unrelated normal female and there where several no eyes and missing eyes in the clutch. I gave all the eye problem babies including a no eye spider to a friend and he reported that none of them survived (the eye problems seemed evenly distributed between spider and non spider babies, just mentioned the no eyed spider because I’m sure he would have loved to save it if he could). I know both of the parents could have just happened to have a recessive gene for eye problem but I'm wondering if it wasn't an environmental factor with that clutch. All of the normal eye babies lived fine as far as I know and my two eyed spider girl from that clutch is now several years old and doing fine.

i know of a pastel yellow belly het pied with one eye and he breeds every year for the past 4 years and has yet to produce any one eyed offspring. I think you guys are over reacting a little.

I'd do it.
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I would start with, "Is it an exceptional example(other than missing eye)" i.e. great color, pattern, blushing. Then, is it a hatchling or does she have some size. If by chance she is a hatchling, I definitely would not get her for the simple reason you could get a female for another $50 or so. I have seen many pics posted on this forum with snakes missing eyes, kinks, etc and alot of them were posted by reputable people who have exceptional animals. This is just my opinion, good looking, good size get her, if not buy a different one.

Eric

it isn't a steal. If I bred it I'd keep it, I wouldn't buy it though.

......don't know...$20 might be too much for it....really....

I sold 3 for 100$....yea...all three...and that's 6 eyes and 66% poss het ghost to boot.....

....not a steal.....

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keep in mind, when it comes to breeding snakes, the genes are what count. If you have a snake missing an eye I would think about how it got to that point. #1 possibly poor genetic variation. #2 too much line breeding, among several other possible variables. You breed poor genes you will probably Get poor genes. Also if you do end up purchasing this snake and breeding it, telling the buyer one of the parents was missing an eye, is going to be a VERY hard selling point for the offspring. I would never buy a snake from anyone if they said one of the parents was void of an eye. Just how I run my breeding projects, and just my 2 cents. Quality is what sets breeders apart.
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thats what my biggest concern was if i was to get her if the not having an eye would run in her genes and all of her babies be missing an eye or even both. but i mean i put some thought into it and im probably not going to get her, im probably just going to get a pinstripe the spinners look better anyways. Hopefully i can get some awesome looking ones with the pattern my male spider has. hope i can beat the odds. seems as if everyone this year is having an awesome year from what i can see. but im just starting to almost everything looks amazing to me!! thanks again yall.

OK first off they have done experiments where they bred 5 generations in and had no problems. Now with ball pythons I doubt anyone is close to that everyone is trying to make the next new thing by crossing to other morphs. The most I would say is f2s and f3s at most. You have to take f1 offspring to make f2 and f2 to make f3 etc etc so thats 3 - 6 years starting with an unrelated pair at the earliest counting on that they are great feeders and everything goes according to planned. But for your question i wouldnt pay more than 20 bucks for a pastel regardless of its imperfections. unless it was something just insane looking but to me thats just common sense and i've always been like that i never buy ugly animals.