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Hey I swapped out the pic in the photo gallery.... It was causing too much controversy lol....

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Tyler Stewart
Las Vegas NV
1.2 Nosy Be Panthers
2.2 Sambava Panthers
1.0 Tamatave Panther
1.0 Nosy Be X Unknown Cross
1.1 Veiled Chameleons
0.0.2 CBB Desert Tortoises
0.0.1 Sulcatta Tortoise

i saw that that little "controversy". talk about BS! you have beautiful chameleons don't sweat those jackasses! how long till you have babies?

dennis
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working for the man again

what Is the controversy about? nice cross by the way

but i guess it was for the best - amazing cham though
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Jason
f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/dank7oo
1.0 maroantsetra panther chameleon
0.2 dwarf panther chameleons
jsinger_jimt@hotmail.com

Ha ha... Funny how you said "What was the controversy about.... Nice cross though..." That was the controversy! Someone said I should destroy the eggs I have from that cross (ZEN-he's back in the photo album) because it's a cross. I know there are people out there who are strongly against it (crossing) and deep down inside, I probably shouldn't be breeding him. But if I have a beautiful chameleon who has all this nice blue coloring with yellow stripes, I'm gonna do the best I can with him. I debated on breeding him with a Sambava female or a Nosy Be, and I ended up going with the Nosy Be. I'm into the blue coloration. So his babies will be 75% Nosy Be and 25% unknown. His dad was crossed with a Nosy Be, making my cham 50% Nosy Be. Now his babies will be split with another Nosy Be. They are probbaly going to hatch either in November or December. I'm all ready for them whenever they come so bring them on! I can't wait for them. I have 29 eggs from that clutch. I'll also have some 100% Nosy Be's hatching soon after so if any of you are mad at me for crossing this 1 time, maybe that will calm your anger. Thanks for all the support in it though and for the good comments about my chams.
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Tyler Stewart
Las Vegas NV
1.2 Nosy Be Panthers
2.2 Sambava Panthers
1.0 Tamatave Panther
1.0 Nosy Be X Unknown Cross
1.1 Veiled Chameleons
0.0.2 CBB Desert Tortoises
0.0.1 Sulcatta Tortoise

I could understand it if they were being raised for re introduction into the wild that you would not want to upset the balance of nature in the area but what is the reason behind not crossing in animals being bred for the hobby or as pets. Does it weaken them physically. I know with dogs the "mutts" or crosses of breeds tend to be stronger physically, smarter, and healthier animals. Could it work the same with chameleons? I know inbreeding is very detrimental to chameleons because it tends to weaken the offspring. Is it that nature has made them beautiful and we don't want to mess with that? Just curious as to the reason that people have for not crossing.
I think your chameleon is very beautiful no matter what he is and he looks well taken care of. I can tell you take very good care of him and treat him well. That is the number one priority in my book, so don't let it get you down if people criticize your chameleons.

I think that as long as you state that it is crossbred and who ever is buying the offspring knows, it is fine, the only problem that I can see is if someone is cross breeding them and claims that they are pure. I think whoever said that the eggs should be destroyed has no right to say a thing like that, no matter what, they are still chameleons, and shouldn't be killed just because they aren't pure. Keep breeding him, he will produce some incredible looking offspring, probably better than many "purebreds" would. Don't let a few close-minded people get you down! Good luck!

I think that officially after talking to a few people I'm not going to breed him anymore. I know that even if I sell them as crosses, eventually it's gonna screw with things. They are 75% Nosy Be, but say for example, I sell to a kid who gets this chameleon with mostly blue to keep for a pet. 3 years later, he's still keeping this pet and gets a little older and realizes the birds and the bees and wants a female.... So what does he do? Buys a Nosy Be female cause he wants to keep them blue. So then his babies come and he needs to get rid of them so he sells them figuring "hey, they're like 87% Nosy Be, so why shouldn't I sell them as such?" So he sells them to LLLREPTILE (or anyone else) as Nosy Be's and now anyone who buys a Nosy Be from LLL will be contributing to the fading of coloration. Even at 87% you would never know it wasn't a Nosy Be, but it would be in a technical sense. My cross male hasn't been bred at all since the origional clutch of eggs that has caused this controversy. So maybe I'll leave it at that and find someone who wants a cross male as a PET. Why can't crosses just be not able to breed....? Then I wouldn't care.
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Tyler Stewart
Las Vegas NV
1.2 Nosy Be Panthers
2.2 Sambava Panthers
1.0 Tamatave Panther
1.0 Nosy Be X Unknown Cross
1.1 Veiled Chameleons
0.0.2 CBB Desert Tortoises
0.0.1 Sulcatta Tortoise