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I have always been under the impression that Spiders have the "web-like" pattern, lightened color and white sides. I also have heard that the white on a spider isn't the same on a hatchling as an adult and that it will get more white as they grow. I am less familiar with the Woma morph, but I have read that they have a golden color and a "banding" pattern. I have two (09)snakes that were sold to me as Spiders, but I have yet to notice any hint of white. I saw a snake on the classifieds that looked exactly like them and was labeled a Woma. What do you think?

Also, I have heard some debate as to whether or not the Woma and Spider genes are similar like the Black Pastel to Cinnimon and Lesser Platinum and Butter. Any thoughts on that?
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Andrea Kamp

1.4 Normal
1.0.3 Pastel
0.1 Pinstripe
1.1 Spider
1.1 Cinnamon
1.0 Lesser
0.1 Yellow Belly
1.0 Ivory
1.0 Albino

1.3 Leopard Gecko

0.1 South Carolina Mutt

Andrea,

I have both Spiders and Woma, and from the looks of your pictures, you were sold two Womas. If you can post belly pic's of the two that will also help out.

On the Woma I have, the bands on the side go all the way to the belly in most areas, and there is a greyish tint to the center belly scales. Were as my Spiders have clear bellies and lots of white on thier sides.

One last thing is the head pattern, from what I've read and seen, most Womas have a violin type pattern on their head, just like the one in the last pic.

Hope this helps,
Chris

def a woma
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Here are belly pics of the first one (male):

I also thought it wasn't a bad thing that I got Womas instead of Spiders since they cost much more. I was planning on making spider combos though. Oh well!
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Andrea Kamp

1.4 Normal
1.0.3 Pastel
0.1 Pinstripe
1.1 Woma
1.1 Cinnamon
1.0 Lesser
0.1 Yellow Belly
1.0 Ivory
1.0 Albino

1.3 Leopard Gecko

0.1 South Carolina Mutt

woma`s for sure but what you have have are very nice woma`s and with todays prices youre probley better off with the womas!

Nice pickup Andrea, good looking snakes and as the previous person wrote the Woma is worth more than the Spider. Jay
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JEM from sunny AZ.

3.25 Normals
3.15 Pastels
1.0 Super Pastels(Thanks Dan Wolfe for the best looking Super male I have ever seen)
2.8 Normal Spiders
1.2 Spiders 100% het Ghost(thanks Mark Petros)
0.2 Spiders 66% het Ghost(Thanks Steve Beamer)
1.3 Orange/Butterscotch Ghosts(BallPython777 Mark Petros)
0.7 100% het Orange Ghosts
0.3 66% het Orange Ghosts(should prove this year)
0.1 Pastel Ghost
1.0 Citrus Ghost(courtesy of Josh Hutto)
0.1 Super Pastel 100% het Ghost
2.3 Albinos
1.1 Caramel Albinos
0.1 100% het Caramel Albino
0.4 100% het for Albino
0.5 66% het for Albino(should prove this year)
0.7 Yellow Bellies
1.0 Pastel Yellow Belly
1.2 Ivories
1.2 100% het for Clowns(Mark Petros)
1.6 Cinnamons(Thanks Stan Ruppel)
1.0 Pied
1.4 100% het for Pied(Josh Hutto and Paul the Pied Peddler)
0.5 66% het for Pied(should prove out next year with my visual male Pied)
1.5 Mojaves
0.1 Pastave het Ghost
1.1 Beautiful Black Pastels(thanks Gulf Coast Reptiles)
1.3 BumbleBees(thanks for the AWESOME Bees Marc Bailey)
1.1 Pewters(Myself and Scott Priester of Brookside Reptiles)
0.1 Chocolates(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.3 Lessers(Josh Hutto)
3.2 Fire's(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.2 High White Calico's(Thanks Brent from BRB)
1.1 SpotNoses(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.1 Enchi's (Me and Josh Hutto, Thanks again Josh)
1.0 Pinstripe
1.2 Pinstripe 100% het for Ghost
0.1 Lemon Blast
1.0 Vanilla Ghost(Thanks again GCR for all the great snakes)
0.1 Super Vanilla Ghost(Awesome Chris and Shelia from GCR)
0.1 Vanilla Yellow Belly
0.1 Vanilla Mojave
0.1 Vanilla(Another one from Josh Hutto,I must have all your snakes now...lol.) Thanks my friend, Jay
1.1 Stillwater Hypo Bull snakes(Brad Chambers)
0.0.1 Great looking Brown and Tan Desert Bull Snake)
0.0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty
1.1 Argentinian Black and White Tegus
1.0 Gotti Pitbull (Tank)
2.0 Beautiful Bengals (Stryker and Cynbad)
14 Tarantulas
Last but most Important 2.2 Children

Well that is if you paid a Spider price for them and got Woma's you did a bit better than a Spider, if you paid a Woma price and got Woma's then no harm done there either. You can basically make all the same stuff with the Woma that you could the Spider so that is a good thing.. Jay
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JEM from sunny AZ.

3.25 Normals
3.15 Pastels
1.0 Super Pastels(Thanks Dan Wolfe for the best looking Super male I have ever seen)
2.8 Normal Spiders
1.2 Spiders 100% het Ghost(thanks Mark Petros)
0.2 Spiders 66% het Ghost(Thanks Steve Beamer)
1.3 Orange/Butterscotch Ghosts(BallPython777 Mark Petros)
0.7 100% het Orange Ghosts
0.3 66% het Orange Ghosts(should prove this year)
0.1 Pastel Ghost
1.0 Citrus Ghost(courtesy of Josh Hutto)
0.1 Super Pastel 100% het Ghost
2.3 Albinos
1.1 Caramel Albinos
0.1 100% het Caramel Albino
0.4 100% het for Albino
0.5 66% het for Albino(should prove this year)
0.7 Yellow Bellies
1.0 Pastel Yellow Belly
1.2 Ivories
1.2 100% het for Clowns(Mark Petros)
1.6 Cinnamons(Thanks Stan Ruppel)
1.0 Pied
1.4 100% het for Pied(Josh Hutto and Paul the Pied Peddler)
0.5 66% het for Pied(should prove out next year with my visual male Pied)
1.5 Mojaves
0.1 Pastave het Ghost
1.1 Beautiful Black Pastels(thanks Gulf Coast Reptiles)
1.3 BumbleBees(thanks for the AWESOME Bees Marc Bailey)
1.1 Pewters(Myself and Scott Priester of Brookside Reptiles)
0.1 Chocolates(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.3 Lessers(Josh Hutto)
3.2 Fire's(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.2 High White Calico's(Thanks Brent from BRB)
1.1 SpotNoses(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.1 Enchi's (Me and Josh Hutto, Thanks again Josh)
1.0 Pinstripe
1.2 Pinstripe 100% het for Ghost
0.1 Lemon Blast
1.0 Vanilla Ghost(Thanks again GCR for all the great snakes)
0.1 Super Vanilla Ghost(Awesome Chris and Shelia from GCR)
0.1 Vanilla Yellow Belly
0.1 Vanilla Mojave
0.1 Vanilla(Another one from Josh Hutto,I must have all your snakes now...lol.) Thanks my friend, Jay
1.1 Stillwater Hypo Bull snakes(Brad Chambers)
0.0.1 Great looking Brown and Tan Desert Bull Snake)
0.0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty
1.1 Argentinian Black and White Tegus
1.0 Gotti Pitbull (Tank)
2.0 Beautiful Bengals (Stryker and Cynbad)
14 Tarantulas
Last but most Important 2.2 Children

If they wobble, they are spiders, if not probably woma.

If you breed them to a pastel or a lesser, you will definetely know what you have.

Any way, all the combos are nice.

I prefer the woma to the spiders.
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I have heard that Womas will also wobble. Has anyone else heard that?
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Andrea Kamp

1.4 Normal
1.0.3 Pastel
0.1 Pinstripe
1.1 Woma
1.1 Cinnamon
1.0 Lesser
0.1 Yellow Belly
1.0 Ivory
1.0 Albino

1.3 Leopard Gecko

0.1 South Carolina Mutt