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I have two trade offers for my 2010 female butter bee.

1 offer is for a 2010 female super cinny.

the other is for a 2009 caramel male with a het female.

I'm kind of on the fence here. Any input?
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First, it would depend on how many breeders you have and how eager you are to breed these new babies. Then, where are you breeding plans going right now? I for instance am trying to produce my own super cinny, so that might deter that one. I also don't like the caramel morph. Also keep in mind the Super cinny will have all morphed babies. The Caramel pair will have mostly het babies. Tough choice.
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Andrea Kamp

1.4 Normal
1.0.3 Pastel
0.1 Pinstripe
1.1 Woma
1.1 Cinnamon
1.0 Lesser
0.1 Yellow Belly
1.0 Ivory
1.0 Albino

1.3 Leopard Gecko

0.1 South Carolina Mutt

Personally I would either trade whatever makes it an even trade for the Super Cinnie or keep the Butter Bee. Jay
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JEM from sunny AZ.

3.25 Normals
3.15 Pastels
1.0 Super Pastels(Thanks Dan Wolfe for the best looking Super male I have ever seen)
2.8 Normal Spiders
1.2 Spiders 100% het Ghost(thanks Mark Petros)
0.2 Spiders 66% het Ghost(Thanks Steve Beamer)
1.3 Orange/Butterscotch Ghosts(BallPython777 Mark Petros)
0.7 100% het Orange Ghosts
0.3 66% het Orange Ghosts(should prove this year)
0.1 Pastel Ghost
1.0 Citrus Ghost(courtesy of Josh Hutto)
0.1 Super Pastel 100% het Ghost
2.3 Albinos
1.1 Caramel Albinos
0.1 100% het Caramel Albino
0.4 100% het for Albino
0.5 66% het for Albino(should prove this year)
0.7 Yellow Bellies
1.0 Pastel Yellow Belly
1.2 Ivories
1.2 100% het for Clowns(Mark Petros)
1.6 Cinnamons(Thanks Stan Ruppel)
1.0 Pied
1.4 100% het for Pied(Josh Hutto and Paul the Pied Peddler)
0.5 66% het for Pied(should prove out next year with my visual male Pied)
1.5 Mojaves
0.1 Pastave het Ghost
1.1 Beautiful Black Pastels(thanks Gulf Coast Reptiles)
1.3 BumbleBees(thanks for the AWESOME Bees Marc Bailey)
1.1 Pewters(Myself and Scott Priester of Brookside Reptiles)
0.1 Chocolates(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.3 Lessers(Josh Hutto)
3.2 Fire's(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.2 High White Calico's(Thanks Brent from BRB)
1.1 SpotNoses(Thanks Brandon of Priceless Pythons)
1.1 Enchi's (Me and Josh Hutto, Thanks again Josh)
1.0 Pinstripe
1.2 Pinstripe 100% het for Ghost
0.1 Lemon Blast
1.0 Vanilla Ghost(Thanks again GCR for all the great snakes)
0.1 Super Vanilla Ghost(Awesome Chris and Shelia from GCR)
0.1 Vanilla Yellow Belly
0.1 Vanilla Mojave
0.1 Vanilla(Another one from Josh Hutto,I must have all your snakes now...lol.) Thanks my friend, Jay
1.1 Stillwater Hypo Bull snakes(Brad Chambers)
0.0.1 Great looking Brown and Tan Desert Bull Snake)
0.0.1 Vietnamese Blue Beauty
1.1 Argentinian Black and White Tegus
1.0 Gotti Pitbull (Tank)
2.0 Beautiful Bengals (Stryker and Cynbad)
14 Tarantulas
Last but most Important 2.2 Children

With the caramel trade it qould depend on if they were breeding size so next year you can breed them also deciding what you would alot the male caramel to breed with besides the het female you would get. Personally I think the caramel would make some great combo morphs with time and patience it takes with recessive morphs. I also think the super cinny would also offer you up a genetic power house. Breeding it two a lemonblast would give you a chance of pewters, pewter pins, pastels, cinnies and normals. Just all depends on what you breed it with. You do have the option of keeping the female butter bee as well and raising her up and buying a pewter male to breed her with 2 - 3 years down the road. I would personally keep the butter bee and make some more combo morphs.

You would not get any normals with the Super Cinny, a plus, but is a 2010, so you are looking at 2 years to breed, at least. Same for your Butterbee, 2 years at least. So from a breeding standpoint, I would say the Caramel and het would be a better choice as you would get clutches sooner, as they already have a head start, even better if you picked up some more hets. After which you could sell the hatchlings and pick up either a Butterbee or Super Cinny with the funds and then some, hypothetically. Just my opinion.

Eric

I would take the female Super cinny, but then I love super cinnies...soooo...
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And for the record, I noticed some people suggesting to keep the bee. I produced 2 butter bees this year-kept one and put the other up for sale/trade. I narrowed it down to those 2 trade offers and was having trouble making up my mind.
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