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Its exciting not knowing exactly whats going to crawl out of an egg. This would be my first f2s as they came from a brother-sister pairing of 4 yr old blairs phase greybands. The grandmother was a nice alterna phase and grandfather was very clean blairi. I dont know the odds, but I was certainly hoping to see some classic alterna influence, although as non locality grebands the hardcore fans may see these as mutts, but Im happy with what I see so far. Have total 23 eggs from two sisters. pipped at day 71. Dave

"although as non locality grebands the hardcore fans may see these as mutts, but Im happy with what I see so far."

Dude I don't get that whole thing. I mean there is nothing mutt about them. They are 100% pure Alterna! Sorry if anyone disagrees but that's why I don't go to the Alterna forum very much except to check out Russo's pictures. But to say that those snakes you have are anything less because you didn't go and catch them your self or didn't keep them by "mile mraker" is a bit too much. I think they are beautiful!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

I need to take some more recent pics cause they are bigger now.

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Wow! Theose are very impressive, that first alterna is incredible. Thanx for the pro comments, you are right that Mikes pictures are worth looking at on the other forum, but they do seem protective of their "localities". Although, keeping a line pure is admirable. But Greybands to me are incredible animals wheather or not they have a gap or mile marker in their names...Really love those super specled that Mike and others have posted. Dave.

Your right it is honerable to keep some localities pure but it has turned into diminishing anything else. I felt just like you posted. Like my animals were mutts. I am offended by that. I sometimes think it is about having control over the perception of legitimacy. Not everyone can go and collect their stock from the wild. Anything else is only worth the word of the person you buy it from. All my Alterna right now are locality animals except one. But I can not sell them as locality because the Alterna league do not put their stamp of approval on them. So I don't care and I think there are a lot more people that feel the way I do than those who praise Fugly snakes because they know what rock it was found under. I'm just sayin...
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

I agree a whole bunch of what everyone said too. Many of those dudes over there are simply into competing with each other in their little "clique", and always bowing out their chests when something doesn't look like quite the norm for a certain area(or rock)..LOL!

That's exactly why I hardly ever bother going over there. I just can't take most of the insanity and arrogance some of them dish out.

Knowing exactly where a snake came from is great, but it certainly doesn't mean that a nice real-deal alterna is anything to toss into the garbage because it's locality isn't known.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Very honorable to keep localities pure!! Very much agreed on, and yep, I have seen the attitude, you speak of, where anything else is diminished and those who are not in the " clique " so to say, don't have anything legit to add or show off, or the non-locality animals don't mean anything. You know what I say about it? Who cares!! When there is more maturity in a Sesame Street episode, vs. ripping on someone's non-locality alterna, you know times are tough!! haha!!

Remember, if you have locality animals, and are able to breed pairs of locality animals together, who cares what anyone thinks, much less let alone some keyboard commandos in some forum dedicated to alterna? Their stamp of approval means nothing, and those who buy from you will have to trust you, plain and simple. The world is bigger than some internet forum. Keep all of that in focus, and you will be fine.
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Genesis 1:1

You hit the freakin head on the nail there though.......

The world is WAY bigger than some internet forum......

Only a small percentage of reptile breeders in the nation are represented on these KS forums....I hope everyone is aware of that....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

I guess you don't know about all the other mexicana that have been bred to Alterna to produce "cool" looking offspring....

I certainly respect the LOCALITY thing on the Alterna forum.....
Hardly any other forum upholds the standard........

Generics are gorgeous......But who knows what has been bred into them.....

BTW...we go through the same thing with Thayeri, Greeri and Mex Mex......we can't go catch them or have a locality.....all we can do is trace lineage back to a reputable breeder that did not hybridize mexicana lines......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

We are not talking about hybrids. They frown on taking a River Road and breeding it to a black gap. Both are pure Alterna but they are considered mutts. I don't see this type of micro specific locality with any other snake. Like I said I think it's honerable but it doesn't make the so called "generic" ones less desirable. The truth be known is that you can find all combinations of looks in any given local anyway. I may try to match up some of my Alterna with a locality mate in the future but it's not a priority for me. I'll take a good looking Generic over an ugly local animal any day.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Agreed! Good post!!
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Genesis 1:1

100% agree with you there...The alterna stuff gets crazy. I don't know any other species with that sort of locality craziness
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We wouldn't have 6 and a half billion people if you had to be beautiful to get laid.
6.6 African House snakes
3.2 reticulated pythons
.1 corn snake
4.2 Florida Kings
1.2 speckled kings
1.2 ball pythons
0.0.1 Argentine boa

>>100% agree with you there...The alterna stuff gets crazy. I don't know any other species with that sort of locality craziness

Rosy Boas
Some Getula Chain King officionados.......

And....
If we could get wild collected Mexicana......we would be right up there with them.....LOL
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

I've seen Getula by state and even county but not mile marker, lol.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

BTW, the ones BETWEEN the mile markers are just mutts!

HAHAHAA!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

have me laughing so hard I am in tears! I gotta go to bed.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

laughing good today with that post and the out of focus clutch!