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T negative albino x Hypo x Axanthic

This is my favorite new morphs and if the house was burning down and i had one snake i could grab , this would be it. This line seems to be super calm as babies AND as adults when compared to other brooks. They are almost like on qualudes.

I produced two more this year. i really want a name and i have been calling it a Blizzard but really want something else. So i am going to list some suggestions from what some forums posters mentioned to me in a previous thread . But if you have another name for this morph , then by all means post it as well.

I would like to get a vote . So just put the name you think is appropriate in the subject line.

I like "Albescent" (Websters: Become white or moderately white; whitish).

But here are the rest..

Ivory
Blizzard
Casper
Albescent phase
Leucous phase
Vanilla
Avalanche
Quartz
Powder
Whiteout phase

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Out of those listed, I would call it a "Whiteout". "Blizzard" is not bad either.

There are a few in there that I would steer clear of, especially when they are already in use with other snakes describing a different morph (Ivory), or based on food (Vanilla).

Albescent makes the most sense, but most people won't know what that means. You need a catch phrase, like blizzard, snow or ivory. Ivory Kings sounds catchy and it's not a name used in any of the other colubrids.

Kind of a Paradox cause the "8 BALL" is black, lol. Otherwise, maybe the "SnowBlind Brooks", cause all you see is white. If I have to choose from the list I like "Ivory". Is that snake considered to be a T-Negative Snow?
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Actually it would be a T- Axanthic Ghost.

Isn't the ghost made with a hypo? If you add the T-Neg it becomes a snow or Blizzard, right?
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A ghost is a axanthic x Hypo homozygot.
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T Negative Albino x Hypo x Axanthic is this animal’s genetic make up. Due to no established morph names that distinguish if the ghost or snow is Axanthic or Anerythristic I tend to refer to them as Anerythristic/ Axanthic snow or Anerythristic/Axanthic ghost to denote the current gene used in that morph.

So that being said I was pointing out this was a ghost using the Axanthic gene and T Negative Albino. A T Negative snow would be T Negative Albino x Lavender Albino x Axanthic. The true snow is T Negative Albino x Axanthic

my point is that there is NO albinism or - in a ghost.
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J Sierra

no albinism, plus or minus, in a ghost.
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No there is no albino gene in a ghost so that is why I said a T- Ghost. It is common when speaking of triple or quadruple homozygous animals where no trade name exists for such a combination to refer to the animal by a named combination and adding the other stray gene to the name such as; Peanut Butter X Anerythristic X Lavender albino can be a Peanut Butter Anery Snow or a Lavender Phantom. In corns a Ghost Bloodred (Hypomelanistic, X Anery X Diffused) can also be a Hypo Granite. Granite (Diffused X Anerythristic) does not contain the hypo gene but a Hypo Granite is descriptive of what it is.

It is all about what trade name strikes everyone’s fancy. Rich Z had a gene he called Mocha someone else had the same gene pop up ad and they called it Lavender, everyone liked Lavender better and it stuck. So regardless what is decided here if the name does not catch the attention of its target audience and become a descriptive part of the nomenclature for the intended morph quickly the trade won’t stick because there are some many solid white morphs called Blizzard many will fall back to that. I do hope something different but these are just my observations

I just think of a ghost, whenever I hear blankity blank ghost. My mind just thinks it's a host of some kind and that would be short selling the animal. But I do see what you meant, and you are correct, thanks.
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>>... such as; Peanut Butter X Anerythristic X Lavender albino can be a Peanut Butter Anery Snow

i'm trying to follow the various naming schemes. why would you add "anery" to the name in addition to snow, since snow mandates that the animal's anery? (I'm a fan of simplicity!)

>>>>... such as; Peanut Butter X Anerythristic X Lavender albino can be a Peanut Butter Anery Snow
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>>i'm trying to follow the various naming schemes. why would you add "anery" to the name in addition to snow, since snow mandates that the animal's anery? (I'm a fan of simplicity!)

oops! I see now. I limited my thinking to hondo-type morphs. So in kings, there are "snows" that are amel and EITHER anery or axanthic...thus you included anery to distinguish which type of snow it is.

oops! I see now. I limited my thinking to hondo-type morphs. So in kings, there are "snows" that are amel and EITHER anery or axanthic...thus you included anery to distinguish which type of snow it is

Yep!
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And it should have been LAV SNOW right? As there are 2 types of alb too. There are with Hondos as well but they refuse to aknowledge my T Plus theory from about 6 years ago! LMAO.

And it should have been LAV SNOW right? As there are 2 types of alb too

Ya but there is only one T egative snow in existance that i proiduced in 2008. Since then i had 2 come out of the egg with defects and die. So I am pretty sure there is only one true snow out there. So not much confusion there as to a T neg anery or T neg axanthic snow. There just ain't any around.
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Is that snake considered to be a T-Negative Snow?

Qood question. But there are four different snows. Only three have been produced thus far.

Lav albino x Anerythristic= Lavender snow
Lavender Albino x axanthic= Pearl snow
T negative albino x Anery= T negative snow
T negative x Axanthic= (not been produced yet)

Everyone is famliar with the Lavender snow brooksi. They are the ones with the lavender and Anery trait. They have been around forever. Same goes with it counter point snow which is also called a snow and "Pearl snow". That is the Lavender x axanthic.

The t negative amel trait is a new trait so we have not seen much on these when combined with other traits yet.

I produced a T negative "anery" snow. This T negative snow has a pattern. But i acheved that with the "anery trait" and not the "axanthic trait" . This snake gentics comes from the "axanthic" trait. Which is not allelic with the Anery trait.

I have never produced a snow from the T eg line but my guess is they would have some sort of pattern. I could be wrong.

Is there any sort of colubrid snake (cornsnake genetics etc)that is axanthic and T neg 9red eye albino) and has zero pattern? ...

Or is it only when the T neg and axanthic are combined with some sort of "hypomelanism". That causes the whiteout look.
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The blizzard corn using Anerythristic Type B and Amel is white but many more corn morphs achieve it buy adding one of the hypo or the diffused genes

If I'm not mistaken the Blizzard Corn is a snow that uses the Anery B or charcoal anery. Not sure if it qualifies as Axanthic in Corns or if there even is an Axanthic with Corn snakes. So I guess maybe if you want to stay consistant with or at least similar with the already established Blizzard Corns, then maybe it should be called a Blizzard Brooks?
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If I'm not mistaken the Blizzard Corn is a snow that uses the Anery B or charcoal anery. Not sure if it qualifies as Axanthic in Corns or if there even is an Axanthic with Corn snakes. So I guess maybe if you want to stay consistant with or at least similar with the already established Blizzard Corns, then maybe it should be called a Blizzard Brooks?

The anery trait is quite different in how it looks. Even though many new morphs are using the term axanthic when in fact they are anery. Both terms can be used inerchachably. But for hobbiest sake. There is a big difference in how the anery looks compared tro an axanthic. Axanthics have more of a blue transparent look. Almost albinoish. The Anery has more brownish, yellow pigment. Almost a dirty look.

Besides i have already done a T neg anery and they came out with a pattern. Basically a snow with red eyes.
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Anerythristic and Axanthic are often interchangeable phrases in herpetoculture. We just distinguish between them with Florida kings because we currently have two incompatible genes that do a similar job and produce similar results. In corns I think they have four different Anerythristic/ Axanthic genes and as many hypo types each doing something different to the snake’s chromataphores. In truth in corns Anerythristic “B” should be Axanthic because the break down of the word is (A=lacking, xanthic=xanthophores which is the name for a chromataphore that produces red and yellow pigments). Meaning that Axanthic would be an animal that lacks the ability to produce xanthophores, while the term Anerythristic (An=lacking, erythristic=erythrism a name for a reddish pigment condition) would only cover the lack of red. The Anery “A” corn usually develops yellow later in life possibly from the prey it eats where as the Anery “B” does not.

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Anerythristic and Axanthic are often interchangeable phrases in herpetoculture. We just distinguish between them with Florida kings because we currently have two incompatible genes that do a similar job and produce similar results. In corns I think they have four different Anerythristic/ Axanthic genes and as many hypo types each doing something different to the snake’s chromataphores. In truth in corns Anerythristic “B” should be Axanthic because the break down of the word is (A=lacking, xanthic=xanthophores which is the name for a chromataphore that produces red and yellow pigments). Meaning that Axanthic would be an animal that lacks the ability to produce xanthophores, while the term Anerythristic (An=lacking, erythristic=erythrism a name for a reddish pigment condition) would only cover the lack of red. The Anery “A” corn usually develops yellow later in life possibly from the prey it eats where as the Anery “B” does not.
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So yeah the charcoal would probably better fit the label of Axanthic. I know with the Brooks it results in very different looking end products.
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J Sierra

How about "Absinth"? Not quite a "green dragon" but a play on words.

Absinthe with an E.

Actually there is a whole grouping of blood pythons already named this. The raspberry line is from the mother faust.

And son, just messing with ya! Still a bit punchy from my drive
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"White Dream" although the more you say it, the less it appeals...Or "cue ball", a take on fish's 8 ball...Great looking snake though. Congrats. Dave.

This is an easy one. Its the ultimate albino. hypo, azanthic, are intermediate steps to pure albinism. Your new product is the ultimate albino. Go for it. Cheers

Its the Ultimate, so call it the Ultimate phase

hmmm, "ULTIMATE" certainly is a catchy phrase. I might like to use that for anothe rtriple homozygot I have.

I have the triple homo "Peanut butter x Anery x Lavender albino, which is still unmaed. That one has pigment and has the typical banded pattern. Maybe the term ULTIMATE would better describe that triple homos gentics and potential.

decisions, decisions.
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Out of all the suggestions, no one said Casper. Casper Brooks is a catchy name. And personally I have never seen anyone use that name for a snake. It is a name all can relate too. Just an idea....

Since there is no one name that people are voting for either way i like the name Casper. But the jury is still out.
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Because I produced a pair of them last year and will produce more this year.

An albino Ghost/Palomar.

Kerby...

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An albino Ghost/Palomar.

And correct me if i am wrong but the ghost Palomar is not really a true Ghost. It just has the name ghost but is not a double recessive homozygot? They are a single trait of some type of hypomelanism, correct?

Still i ,ike the naem casper. but since it is in use foir a different recessive trait ( assuming the Palomar ghost is a single trait)I probably won't use it for this triple homo.

Nice Cali though! Did you produce many?
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The Ghost Cal King (Palomar locale) is a single recessive gene. It is not a product of 2 recessive genes. So it is a little misleading, but it was labeled a long time ago. So when I produced two albino Ghost/Palomar cal kings last year, I labeled them "Caspers" as in a white ghost. Casper Cal Kings are displaying two recessive genes at the same time. I have a couple of clutches this year that should produce some more.....but I will be in the LABELING game here in about a month when I produce some cal kings that haven't been produced before....just don't know what they are going to look like yet.

Kerby...
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I am sorry Kirby, you are the first person that I have seen that has named your snakes "Casper", although beautiful they look alot like the snow cal. I like the way they look. Nice snakes. Good luck with this years hatching.

They do look a lot like Blizzard Cal Kings (albino & hypermelanistic), but one must know the genetics of what they have and a "label/name" will help in identification for future breeding purposes.

Coming soon in California Kingsnakes......

Albino-Hypo
Lavender-Hypo
Hypermelanistic-Hypo
Lavender-Hypermelanistic (Purple Passion)
Albino-Hypermelanistic (Blizzard)
Ghost/Palomar-Hypo
Ghost/Palomar-Lavender

Kerby...
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Casper sucks for this morph.Casper had dark eyes.I love the name but not for this morph.
Just my dos centovos.

Yes Shannon, I agree as far as eye color casper would not be a fitting name. Pure white with dark eyes, casper would be a better suited name.

It's in the list Rainer gave. I like the name but, it lends it'self to being a ghost.
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J Sierra

EDELWEISS....
The world famous, white, star shaped, European High Mountain Alpine flower that some mountaineers have literally died trying to find because of its' rarity and beauty....
Part of the definition also says: Its white color is considered a symbol of purity, and holds a Latin as well as Romanian name, floarea reginei (Queen's flower).
EDELWEISS (Noble-white)......
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LOL! While i am from Austria and like the Edleweiss name, I doubt it ould be taken seriously. Kinda like the Peanut butter morph. But at least that morph turned out to be unique since it shares an allele on a single locus with the T negative. Something no other kingsnake trait does.

This is just a triple homozygot so i want to stay as close to a name already used in herpetoculture.
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I would recommend staying away from the “Phase” names because traditionally that denotes that the look is only achieved by line breeding and does not represent the average look of that morph. With so very few produced that could very well be true this is what happened to the bloodred morph in corns, bloodred became a phase of the diffused gene when people realized that the more they out crossed lines the less bloodred it looked.

Since Casper was mentioned I believe that would work as well since this is a specialized ghost and he was a special ghost.

My vote is Ivory it accurately describes the look and flows well with Florida king.

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>>T negative albino x Hypo x Axanthic
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>>This is my favorite new morphs and if the house was burning down and i had one snake i could grab , this would be it. This line seems to be super calm as babies AND as adults when compared to other brooks. They are almost like on qualudes.
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>>I produced two more this year. i really want a name and i have been calling it a Blizzard but really want something else. So i am going to list some suggestions from what some forums posters mentioned to me in a previous thread . But if you have another name for this morph , then by all means post it as well.
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>>I would like to get a vote . So just put the name you think is appropriate in the subject line.
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>>I like "Albescent" (Websters: Become white or moderately white; whitish).
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>>But here are the rest..
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>>Ivory
>>Blizzard
>>Casper
>>Albescent phase
>>Leucous phase
>>Vanilla
>>Avalanche
>>Quartz
>>Powder
>>Whiteout phase
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easier to sex them if the boys came out blue,girls pink

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I just don't like the way it looks speled out. But sounds great!
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J Sierra

...or sopors.........n/m..
:Mark
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old school
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o.k. geesh..
achromic and alabaster come to mind...but...
...why not a nod to old Dubya himself ..with...(wait for it)
Nu cu lar!

:Mark
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Lemons are yellow! Lol
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J Sierra

Beautiful congrats!

>>Beautiful congrats!

Pearl is what I was going to suggest.
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what about "Mist Phase",,,,some of the others sound like interior designer terms...lol
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Makes me think of those beautiful greek and roman sculptures and the fine texture of their white. Alabaster King also has a nice ring to it.

Alabaster King also has a nice ring to it.

Yes I like it!
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didn't like it when I suggested it?
ha!
:Mark
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didn't like it when I suggested it?

You didn't captilize alabaster. I like it better when it is Alabaster.
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So...you goin' to Daytona or not?
:Mark
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Why not get real original and call it "The White King" or "King White".
After all most of this complicating breeding it's almost like a game of chess.

Pete
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how about the "cocaine brooks"LMAO......
Or I do like "avalanche". Thats pretty fitting.Ivory also works as it does in the bullsnakes cause it is axanthic but the Ivory's have a "pearl" look to them and your snake looks solid white.White-out?

I thought the 8 ball was going to be something like that! I was thinking the Escobar Brooks!
I like Albescent, that was the first thing I thought of.

After doing some research and hearing it pronounced I believe Albescent fits perfectly and I can find no other morph or phase that uses the name.

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Albescent Brooks or Albescent king just rolls off the tongue.

I like both Alabaster or Albescent. hmmm.
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The ones with pink tounges are Albescent.

Or better yet. The "White Rainer".... aye?
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J Sierra

HAHA!

The longer the name on the Deli lid right? Why not simply start a NUMBERING system for species with so many recessive traits?? Simply number them 1-9, and multiple morphs can have multiple numbers? This one could be a 137 or whatever. You can have a 1,2 het for 3. Sexy? Nope. But I suggest we are waaaay past a catchy name here right? I mean I would think most would LOVE to call Peanut Butters a "8", right? How many genes are there?
1-T-
2-T pos
3-Hypo
4-Anery
5-Axanthic
6-Whiteside
7-Mosaic
8-Peanut Butter
9-"extreme flame"

Arent all morphs based on these? Did I miss any? Phases can be letters, genes numbers, this would simplify it for the newer, non genetic people. You would know immediately if genes would line up right? Sorry if this is a scientific buzz kill for some, it would be a simpler system yes?

Jeff,

..Ahh.. oh gosh, ..never mind. LOL!
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Rainer, man of the Peanut Butter and Jelly morphs, this is your baby....florida kings are the back of your hand....but the minute people start showing up at shows looking for FLUFFY might just be a sign of the apocalypse! Somewhere deep down, where you arent comfortable about talking about, you know I'm right! LMAO>

Buzz sells!
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J Sierra

>>Buzz sells!
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>> J Sierra
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there are more letters than numbers.. I say letter them....
ha!
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W.A.R. White as Rain'r,
still better tha peanut butter jelly though CREAMY might fit

Nice suggestion! ;D

ivory is cool

marshmellow fits w/pb&j so does white bread

cloud 9 is cool

white litening

toothpaste king is kinda neet and would promote good dental hygeine

rorer714 is fitting (good call mark )

ajax king

i dunno about 8ball but Qball is cool or just Q

white gold

im sure you'll make it something cool

,,,,,,,,,thomas
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Well all those designer names aside......It is a Hypomelinestic Snow (Albino/Axanthic) from what you told us in your post....... so why not instead of making up some overly complicated name just call it what it is a Hypo Snow.......But if you must go with a designer name ....Whiteout!!!