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All this talk on the Gray band forum makes it seem like it should have its own section. I thought the gray band forum was to talk about gray bands and not encounters and opinions on road cruising and law enforcement. There is a field herping forum that might be more appropriate to talk about your field herping experiences. If you want to share your views on west Texas politics, take it to another forum. Just because you get searched in an area where alterna exist does not mean it relates to this forum.

I notice that other non gray band related topics get removed by moderators. Maybe the moderator is taking a vacation or something, but why does this stuff not get reposted in more appropriate section.

You have obviously not been a part of this forum since back in the day when all it was, was an alterna forum. You are completely out of place with what you are saying and nearly everything that has been discussed in this forum as of late truly belongs there. I suggest that instead of YOU trying to moderate and decide how this forum should be used, maybe YOU should go somewhere else if you don't like what you see. What makes it alright for you to tell us anything?
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Brad Alexander

FullSpectrumHerps.com

I did not tell you anything. I stated my opinion that there may be more appropriate places for the discussions that are here. People who herp west texas are not always concerned with only alterna. This legislation concerns more than just alterna and you might want to combine your efforts with say people who herp the sames area for leps or subocs. Hence a separate forum that could gather everyone who herps in west Texas regardless the species they are interested in.

With as much discussion about the political issues it deserves its own forum or at least sub forum. While the discussions are relevant to alterna there is a wider scope to this legislation that is being overlooked. It is bigger than just alterna enthusiasts and it should be treat it as such.

Brad you really seem to get worked up for nothing. The level of rudeness and hostility that you put forth is appalling. I respect the fact that you have an opinion you feel strongly about but attacking me because of my opinion is unnecessary and uncalled for.

"Brad you really seem to get worked up for nothing. The level of rudeness and hostility that you put forth is appalling. I respect the fact that you have an opinion you feel strongly about but attacking me because of my opinion is unnecessary and uncalled for"

First of all, get over it!

Second of all, what I said was not as bad as you make it out, hence my saying, "get over it".

Furthermore, it is my opinion that you getting on here and even suggesting that these posts not belong here and should be in another "sub forum" (yeah, like this place needs another stinking sub forum) is a tad insulting. So while you point the finger at me for being rude, I honestly feel you have 3 pointing right back at you. On top of that, any rudeness you feel you are receiving has been brought on yourself. If I don't like what you have to say, I might get a little obnoxious and possibly rude. It is what it is and I would have never said a thing had you not made such a rediculous post in the first place.

My perceived hostility stems from zero toleration of people trying to quiet the masses. Prime example:

If you want to share your views on west Texas politics, take it to another forum. Just because you get searched in an area where alterna exist does not mean it relates to this forum.

"I notice that other non gray band related topics get removed by moderators. Maybe the moderator is taking a vacation or something, but why does this stuff not get reposted in more appropriate section."

How much more degrading and insulting do you want to be? We suck and our topic that is directly related to herping for alterna does not belong on the Gray Banded kingsnake forum? Yeah, that's what you are saying. So thanks for assuming you are great and we all suck.
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Brad Alexander

FullSpectrumHerps.com

If you do not like the idea of removing these posts to somewhere where they will get more public scrutiny and probably support then fine, just keep it among the readers of the alterna forum. Where we who already agree can continue to read and hear the same things happening over and over.

God forbid we attempt share our opposition of the legislature with people outside of the alterna forum.

I really don't see the problem. IMHO experiences that occur while hunting alterna, be they harrassment, weather conditions, gas/hotel prices, what kind of walking light to use, etc. are all postworthy for the alterna forum.

That doesn't mean somebody can't post about walking lights on the rosy forum or about the roadban on the law forum if they so choose. The roadban issue has been posted several times on the law forum and the ratsnake forum during the last two years and so far it has not recieved as much response in those forums as it has here.

By all means, if you can generate some intrest on another forum or forums, I would encourage you to post there. I think that would be a good thing for sure. One thing you may not be aware of though, is that there are many long time alterna nuts on this forum who read this forum and this forum alone. If it is not posted about here then we risk losing many of the most highly motivated people.

"If you do not like the idea of removing these posts to somewhere where they will get more public scrutiny and probably support then fine, just keep it among the readers of the alterna forum. Where we who already agree can continue to read and hear the same things happening over and over.

God forbid we attempt share our opposition of the legislature with people outside of the alterna forum."

What? Are you kidding me? How many times do I have to tell you that my issue is not with the idea of sharing the info. Get off of it already, sheesh!
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Brad Alexander

FullSpectrumHerps.com

didn't she clean rooms at the casa blanca when ray was the mgr?????......JOKE!!!!!.....laugh you suspected ROW law violaters......

Maybe the talks about how to change the laws would be more on topic for the Herp Law forum but talks about getting searched and harrassed while hunting graybands definately belong here, IMHO.

People have posted about the roadban over on the Herp Law forum in the past but those posts generally get much less of a response over there than they do here. Most people on the Herp Law forum are more concerned with exotics and topics involving field collecting native herps for recreational purposes usually die a quick death over there.

this forum is about everything blairs,graybanded,alterna.....EVERTHING....some of us have had mexicana fever since 1970.....we may not have written the book.....but we could pen volumes....we live in far flung cities and towns in this nation.....before this vehicle ....we communicated via post office and ma bell......now we can sit in front of our crotchtops and bullshoot each other and tell each other how to handle TPW.....not everyone out there appreciates the passion (or illness) that some of us suffer....

And if you do not agree that this issue is bigger than just the alterna community you need to really check yourself and think hard about what you are saying and what your goal is. Because Brad if you think these recent topics do not deserve more light than just the alterna community, your efforts to fight it will fail without a doubt.

James - the conversation may need to be taken elsewhere.. However a lot of us here, were here when Jeff started the Alterna page, and were some of the first to post about the ENTIRE Alterna experience. In the end, things get reorganized and so forth but most people still end up coming here to talk about Alterna and everything that is Alterna. So that is why we post here. Maximize the opportunity to communicate with friends and fellow enthusiasts.

If the legal stuff isn't your thing, simply skip when you see my name next to a post. I wont get offended.

For those who truly value Alterna... They find it on the cuts, on the shoulders, in the night. You experience the same settings they experience. You get a true appreciation for the Natural Gems of West Texas.

Best Wishes,

StevenX

"And if you do not agree that this issue is bigger than just the alterna community you need to really check yourself and think hard about what you are saying and what your goal is. Because Brad if you think these recent topics do not deserve more light than just the alterna community, your efforts to fight it will fail without a doubt."

Funny how you are attacking me as if I am suggesting we NOT share this issue with others. What in the heck are you talking about? I've made no such suggestion. It's crazy how people go off on tangents to support something that isn't there. My problem is with you suggesting we not talk about this stuff here and why the moderator isn't deleting some of this stuff. There's plenty I do not agree with in many of the threads currently active on this forum, but you don't hear me or others crying about it not being moderated well enough.

Share it with everyone, I don't care. In fact, if you are so passionate about it, why don't you go do that, I think we'd all appreciate it.

However, there is no way in 4ell that I'm going to appreciate someone coming on here and telling us we need to post this stuff elsewhere and in a round about way suggest that this is not the place for it. THAT is my problem.

Just let people rant and do what they want and lay off.
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Brad Alexander

FullSpectrumHerps.com

However you may have noticed that most of the people willing to speak up, write letters, and then show up to legislative forums in Austin have been the alterna enthusiast, it is a fact that we are "the target" they went after and we feel the effects the most. The non-alterna counties do not get the same level of enforcement or even the same communications from Austin..

Lets face it, we are "special" to them for some very personal reason.

And that is why this stuff is here on the alterna forum.
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Herp Conservation Unlimited

If people really learn from their mistakes, I should be like the smartest guy in the world

This is all about alterna. The law is all about alterna. I was stopped immediately after I caught a speckled king in SE Tx and the game warden couldn't care less. He seemed oblivious to the law. Because it WASN'T and ALTERNA.
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Greg Jackson

This is what im talking about whin, whin, bla bla, the ALTERNA FORUM is a whole community that exists, it is more of a regional forum that pertains to west Texas. With out the right to hunt ALTERNA there is very little need to even have a forum. This is a great avenue to express opinions, spread gossip, and educate people in what is happening in the field, from weather to LE. These post are right on track with the ALTERNA culture and are here to rally the troops to defend their liberties to preserve what is a way of life for allot of people. Sure its nice to see the pictures of what people have or have found but those days are truly numbered without change. Even if you don't believe in what I have to say or others, we will stand behind your ability to express your views and we welcome you to post them here. We might blast you a time or two, but we are still here to read what you write and thank you for expressing yourself in a public format.

is neede now and then to keep ya grounded and focused.....tank....i for one, like your attitude....

not to discuss this subject here is the fact that the opposition here in Texas are avid readers of this forum. I've wanted to contribute observations at a couple of points, but realized that I did not want my posts to be seen by certain parties.

Almost everyone on here with a direct interest in the road ban conflict should also be an HCU member, and thus have access to the private HCU forum-how about moving the discussion there?

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Brad Chambers
WWW.HCU-TX.ORG

Breeder of:
Green Tree Pythons
Pastel, Pinstripe, FIRE, Piebald, Clown, Lavender Albino, Leucistic, and Spider Ball Pythons
Striped Colombian Boa Constrictors
Kenyan, Rufescens, and Conicus Sand Boas
Red Phase Western Hognose Snakes
Spider Western Hognose Snakes
Albino Western Hognose Snakes
Locality Trans-Pecos Mexican Hognose Snakes
Southern Hognose Snakes
Eastern Hognose Snakes
Tricolor Hognose Snakes
Hypo Checkered Garter Snakes
Eastern Blackneck Garter Snakes
Stillwater Hypo Bullsnakes
Patternless Bullsnakes
S. GA Eastern Kingsnakes
Locality Desert Kingsnakes
Albino Desert Kingsnakes
Hypo Desert Kingsnakes
Mexican Black Kingsnakes
Desert Phase and Striped Desert California Kingsnakes
Locality Mexican Milksnakes
Spotted Mexican Milksnakes
Tangerine Mexican Milksnakes
Locality Alterna
Abbott Okeetee Cornsnakes
Mexican Baird's Ratsnakes
Cape Housesnakes
Tangerine Albino African Fat -Tailed Geckos
Locality Spotted Turtles

Almost everyone on here with a direct interest in the road ban conflict should also be an HCU member, and thus have access to the private HCU forum-how about moving the discussion there?

I wholeheartedly agree, with the main reason being that it's a PRIVATE forum. However, the forums over there have been pretty slow lately, even though NOW is the time to be gearing up for next year. ?
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Chris McMartin
www.mcmartinville.com
I'm Not a Herpetologist, but I Play One on the Internet

>>I notice that other non gray band related topics get removed by moderators. Maybe the moderator is taking a vacation or something, but why does this stuff not get reposted in more appropriate section.
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I am not sure what posts you are refering to that have been removed. There have been a handful of posts pulled since April and all were for major TOS violations. Quite honestly I personally feel off topic discussions are important to fostering the community as a whole. I can not however comment on actions prior to November 2009, however from that point forward, I will say with out a doubt that off topic discussions have not been pulled.

However back to the topic at hand of the ROW and such. Personally I think this is just as on topic is S373 and HR211 discussions are on say the boa or burmese forum. They directly impact the keepers of those species.

As long as a post does not directly violate the TOS is can be as far off topic as humanly possible. Part of a community is expanding and getting to know each other.

No cursing, no selling, no attacking and please for my sake, no spitting on the floor.

BTW the moderator is not on vacation, and even when I am I always take you guys along for the ride. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me via email however.
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Cindy Steinle
PHFaust
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