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Hi!
What is the result of Pin X Pin?
I know the pastel X pastel can have super pastel, is there anything call super pinstripe?

If anyone have picture, that would be great.

Thanks.

Eric

Pinstripe is a dominant mutation, so no super pinstripes. Pastels are codominant so 2 = a super. You can stil certainly combine the pinstripe mutation with others to get nice combos though.

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Most visual pinstripes are only heterozygous for the pinstripe mutation. So like any het X het breeding the odds per egg come out:

1/4 homozygous mutant
1/2 heterozygous
1/4 homozygous normal

BHB reports a normal looking pin, presumably from a pin X pin breeding, that produced a large number of only pinstripe babies so it looks like pinstripe is a dominant mutation where the homozygous and heterozygous mutants look the same. So pin X pin gives eggs with each a 3/4 chance of looking pinstripe but those visual pinstripes would be 33% chance homozygous pins and even though the homozygous pinstripe looks the same the big advantage to having one is that it produces 100% pinstripe offspring.

isnt the spider balls a codom as well?

spiders a dominant... meaning het and homo look alike... pastel is example of a codom, where you get a pastel with het and a different looking homo, the super pastel.

Ohhh that stuff is confusing.. Haha. Like seriously confusing.

spider has a super.....so it's codom....sort of...and lethal....

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Agreed, I think it's likely at this point that spider is homozygous lethal which would be technically co-dominant since the homozygous is different than the heterozygous (dead vs. live). Could still turn out that not enough breedings done yet to prove a homozygous spider but unless someone has one already and is hiding it for some reason it's long overdue.

so a homo spider just dies? thats weird, and sounds weird.

We don't know if the homozygous spider eggs go bad, the homozygous spider babies are born but die, are born but never breed, or just that no one has bothered to prove one and let us know about it yet.

If spider is homozygous lethal it wouldn't be that unprecedented. In addition to the original woma ball python mutation and the jaguar carpet pythons and sounds like motley boas there are many examples of homozygous lethal mutation in other types of animals. It's just really hard to prove anything by it's absence so for all we know someone might come forward with a proven homozygous spider any day but 20 some years into this project the proven homozygous seems overdue.

Maybe some people don't even breed their spiders together? You can breed spiders to normals and get 50/50 right?? So maybe that's why people breed their female spiders with other stuff and not just a plane jane spider.

Pin X PIN Gives You a 25% chance of making a super pin, the only problem is that super pins look just like regular pins. This being said you have to hold them back and breed them to find out who the supers are. To the next point Spiders are dominate w/no super form as far as we can tell( their is a huge argument about this that is kinda pointless but ill save that for another time)Pastels are Co-Dominate W/a visual super which is the Super Pastel and Pinstripe is Co-Dominate With both regular and Super Pinstripe looking exactly the same (Or at least that is what Brian at BHB tells us and he should know since he is the founder and proved the Pinstripe).Well I think that about does it...............
Eyeball

That helps but its still confusing lol. I mean I get it but its just crazy how everything works like that.

pin X pin = all pins!! good luck!!

"pin X pin = all pins!! good luck!!"

Since most pinstripes are only heterozygous for that dominant mutation pin X pin would have a 1/4 chance per egg of producing a normal. Now once you get a homozygous pin then no matter what you breed it to all the babies will be pinstripe.