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I don't think I've posted picture of these two on here since they were hatchlings. They looked about the same at that time (they're clutchmates by the way). A few suggestions have been thrown out regarding their genetics since they look somewhat different. Just curious to hear what some of you think?

I can't get the coloration of this guy to show through accurately, but he's very pink-you'll just have to take my word for it I guess.

They look like either ghosts, or strawberry-anery's, especially the one with all the pink. Very beautiful indeed.

That pink corn is gorgeous! Is this a new color phase I haven't seen yet?? Would like to see MORE Please!!! Thanks. TJ.

Love the pink in them! Do you know anything about the parents? Do you know if the whole clutch looked like this or was it just a few? They resemble the coral ghosts I've been seeing advertised which has the strawberry gene in them. The breeder would be able to give better info than anyone guessing.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

That is probably wht my friends adult is too. He doesn't really know the detailed genetic history of it after he bought a guys entire collection many years ago, but BOY is it a striking animal!

I'm pretty sure this was before the "strawberry" gene was really known or coined.

~Doug

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Gotta love those things man! That's beautiful.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Yeah, when I first laid eyes on it at his house years ago. I was absolutely blown away by what I saw!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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...That thing is Beautiful!!! Are these readily available? I haven't checked the classifieds lately, but will head on over there soon to start watching (and drooling along the way) Mmmm... Strawberries... Yum!

Just a warning some of the Coral ghosts are VERY expensive! The ones that are much cheaper are questionable as to what they really are so don't get too excited yet. I did some window shopping a while back and that's as far as I got, lol.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Well, like Jorge mentioned, there are some ghosts that can display a pink casting, and other's that are a product of this so-called "strawberry" mutation. That young adult belonging to my friend is definitely outstanding, but He, nor I have a clue to it's exact genetic makeup. It was simply sold to him along with many other types of corns as simply a ghost.

In any case, I told him a long time ago that his ghost was the nicest one I have EVER seen though. That is hard for anyone to dispute..LOL!

I will try to remember to ask him if he ever got any more info on it.

Seems that I recall some years ago that Kathy Love had some "special project" ghosts that looked very similar with ruby-red eyes too. I guess that could have been the infancy of this "strawberry" gene thing we hear about now in recent years.

Don't count on seeing high numbers of these very pink ghosts all over peoples tables just quite yet though..LOL!, but as Jorge said earlier, you might be able to find a couple here and there for a pretty good premium possibly.

This even has me wondering now if my buddy EVER produced any ghosts that resemble the adult that I posted. I would love to have one that looked like his adult any day of the week..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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If my memory serves me correct I saw some super nice ones for like 1,200 I think. If I'm not correct I know it was in that ball park! Too much for me. So try to get some from your friend so I can possibly get some from you
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Not sure if this violates the TOS but here is the link for comparison purposes.
Coral ghost

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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

>>Not sure if this violates the TOS but here is the link for comparison purposes.
>>Coral ghost
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>>King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
>> J Sierra

those are interesting but they don't really look like the ghosts Kevin and Doug posted.....

and Kevin...if you get babies that look like those.....put me on the list!!!
love 'em
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If Kevin produces anything close to the one my buddy has, they will sell themselves..LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

They're not an exact match but I think the ones in the atricle are very young, at least the pics were taken when they were young. they probably lighten up as they grow. But there is no telling if the three have similar genetics. There is also a Champaigne Corn produced by Pasco Paul that has a lot of pink but it came from a line of his snow corns.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

The coral ghosts are confirmed to carry the strawberry trait if I'm not misinformed. That doesn't appear to be the case with these-I can't absolutely guarantee it, but there is evidence to suggest they are not strawberries. I spoke with Kathy about mine and tracked down pictures of a few more from her line and they seem to have a fairly consistent look to them, albeit with obvious sexual dimorphism in coloration and the expected individual variation. She doesn't think there's anything extra genetically going on with them (just anery and hypo), but that selective breeding is the best explanation for their appearance. Maybe not the most exciting explanation, but I'm still more than thrilled to have mine and hope to produce more like them eventually.

Yeah I see what your saying. Still a very cool looking snake! I may have to get some from you when you get some babies!
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

I'm glad you talked to Kathy and did some more investigation on those.

I would imagine the anery gene those "special project" ghosts came from was founded by an exceptionally nice colored individual from the Naples area, as that area is well known for wild anerythristic corns.

Anway, in my opinion you cannot beat a pale pink ghost with very noticeably subdued blotching....period!..LOL!

I might have to score some of these to go with my current lavender ghost project!

The hypo female I have is 100% het lavender/poss. het anery, and the male is an adult proven hypo lavender, so these would fit in quite well. Not to mention the hypo lavenders already have a strong pink hue to their background coloration to begin with!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

"I would imagine the anery gene those "special project" ghosts came from was founded by an exceptionally nice colored individual from the Naples area, as that area is well known for wild anerythristic corns."

Actually, from what she told me, the first Naples corn was a normal that lacked black borders. Offspring looked similar, though apparently it wasn't a form of hypo. She then bred some of these Naples corns to ghosts and realized the ghosts produced from the Naples line looked nice and continued to work with them(though interestingly, pretty much all Naples ghosts do have black borders).

So it sounds like the anerythrism and hypomelanism at work in these is the same old variety we're used to, but some regional variation (for lack of a better description) carried over from the Naples corns to give them a somewhat distinct appearance.

Yes, that is all very interesting indeed!. Thanks for sharing that cool bit of info Kevin.

I agree, simply a very appealing variant of ghost with a very nice, distinct look from the wild anery individual added into the mix.

regards, ~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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"Seems that I recall some years ago that Kathy Love had some "special project" ghosts that looked very similar with ruby-red eyes too. I guess that could have been the infancy of this "strawberry" gene thing we hear about now in recent years."

That sounds like the origin of mine. The breeder I got mine from purchased his stock from corns Kathy had labeled as "special project" Naples ghosts. I once suspected that my pink male might be hypo/strawberry anery (hypo and strawberry are allelic like ultra and amel) but there is some evidence to contradict this. To further confuse things, both of mine have obvious yellow coloration in their dorsal blotches. Neither of the parents displayed this and I know someone with a clutchmate to mine that also lacks the yellow. I'm eager to breed them and see what I get, but they were sold to me as nice ghosts and for all I know that's all they are.

I remember seeing an add for some of those Love specials, for about 100 bucks. I was actually contemplating getting some at the time.
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King Snakes! Who can make a better mouse trap?
J Sierra

Very interesting Kevin!

I forgot to look down here earlier to comment on your post.

I talked to my friend today about the origin of his ghost I posted earlier, and he said it was produced from a clutch of regular ghosts, and that male was the one he held back for himself(good choice on his part)..LOL!

He also told me he hasn't had any luck breeding it to any females in the last two years either. He said it didn't seem to be interested in any of his female ghosts.

Bummer!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

When are yours going to be of breedable size, next year?

You will likely get some real beauties I would think!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>When are yours going to be of breedable size, next year?
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>>You will likely get some real beauties I would think!
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>> ~Doug
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>>my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Bummer that your friend's ghost wasn't interested in breeding. Yes, mine are about 30 inches now so they should be ready and eager in the spring. The only problem is my lack of suitable females. I do have a nice 09 ghost female tucked away for them when she's large enough, but I'll have to be patient until then (and look for more girls in the meantime).

Very cool Kevin.......

That is a really nice looking ghost there for SURE!!

Good luck next year!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com