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The 8 eggs I originally had only hatched out 6 babies. The 2 stillborns were still anery. so all 8 eggs were some form of anery.

The pairing was My Blizzard to my Anery Type A Motley female.

Heres a couple nice copulation shots for the non-believers

The outcome is kinda messing with me cause you would figure there would have been some normals in the litter. So
A) Either one of the parents is het for the others type of Anery and all the Babies are Type A or B

B) Both parents are het for the other anery and all the babies are 1 or the other respectively if not both types ????

I'm confused and need some cornsnake genetic wizards to help me out.

Egg tooth!!!!!

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If I'm thinking correctly, I believe the anery B (charcoal) generally has little to no yellow compared to the anery A. From the picture, it looks like your blizzard has a fair amount of yellow. This would lead me to believe that your blizzard's anery genes are actually a combination of anery A (traditional anery) and anery B (charcoal). With that, breed to your anery A female, looks like you have a mix of 100% anery A's and combinations of anery A and B.

Anybody else feel free to jump in and tell me if I'm way off here.

To me both parents look yellow so there may not be any Charcoal at all in the works? So Doug's scenerio would be correct.
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J Sierra

Thats the conundrum with this type of pairing. Your blizzard may be homogeneous for both types of anerytherism, similar to hybino animals being homozygous for amel and hypo even though only the amelanistic expression is seen. I agree with your logic that SOME of the babies should be normals due to incompatible strains of anerytherism being mixed. If you male was het. for Anery A, then you would still theoretically get some normals unless you hit the odds just right. The question is, what are the anery babies? Are they As, Bs, or both?? Hopefully someone with more experience on this type of pairing will respond.

Yeah, it's pretty tough to say with absolute certainty, as everyone has brought up good points for this possibility.

If you blizzard is actually homozygous for both types of anerythrism(since it has far less yellow than than anery), then your outcome falls perfectly right into place with the following.......

Male is, Blizzard, and Anerythristic
Female is, Anerythristic

Offspring are predicted to be...
100.00%, Anerythristic, Het for Blizzard
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>>Yeah, it's pretty tough to say with absolute certainty, as everyone has brought up good points for this possibility.
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>>If you blizzard is actually homozygous for both types of anerythrism(since it has far less yellow than than anery), then your outcome falls perfectly right into place with the following.......
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>>Male is, Blizzard, and Anerythristic
>>Female is, Anerythristic
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>>Offspring are predicted to be...
>>100.00%, Anerythristic, Het for Blizzard
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I think this is the simplest and most logical answer
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I don't think your blizzard is a blizzard. I think it's a regular snow corn. When matched with an anery motley, the expectation would be all anery babies that are het for amel and motley...and that's exactly what you got.

Did you buy it from a reputable breeder as a blizzard?

Tim

Third Eye

Yeah, looking at the amount of yellow it has in the closeup, it is very likely a regular snow that has less blotch pattern than is typically seen in most snows. This would also explain that outcome of all anerys.

~Doug
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Well, I was going to say the male was probably just a normal snow, but I didnt want to burst any bubbles and the OP seemed pretty sure it was blizzard. However, I am thinking its just a snow as that is the most plausible explanation unless it is indeed homozygous for Anery A and B. The litmus test would be to breed him to a charcoal/Anery B and see what is produced. Lets face it, its not uncommon now a days in corns to have multi-gened homozygous animals that cannot be visually verified (like hybinos, blizzards homo for Anery A, etc.) I have a buddy who has striped snows that are homozygous for a couple of other traits as well. You could never tell just looking at them though LOL!!

I hear ya Kevin!

Hard to find a corn that doesn't have a plethora of mutant genes anymore. And of course many of them unknown to the owner..LOL!

~Doug
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I think it's far more likely that it's a standard snow - they're a dime a dozen. That's why I inquired that the OP indicate where he got the snake from. Far too often secondhand (or thirdhand) snakes are incorrectly sold as Okeetee, Miami, Reverse Okeetee, etc. because these "buzz words" appeal to buyers and makes them think that they're getting something unique. The same can be said for calling a "high white" standard snow a "blizzard."

I specialize in bursting bubbles, but do agree that Doug's explanation is indeed possible - it's just less likely.

I also agree with Kevin, there are a whole lotta hidden traits out there. Sometimes playing "what's this morph homozygous for?" and basing it on a photo isn't a realistic game.

Tim

No doubt Tim. The only way to be sure is to outbreed with known genetics. Most folks just dont want to do that. So, you just have to be happy with a WTF animal you got from a large chain, a third hand buyer at a show, etc. I am starting to see the large chains with multiple corn morphs in one tank labled "Fancy Corns". You grab the one you like and be happy with that LOL!!

Heres some baby shots. I'm pretty sure it's a blizzard. I have hatched out snows and nothing this light ever came out. The blizzard was from someone I trust.

4 months with a snow I hatched

6 months

1 year

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Problem is the Blizzard is supposed to be bred with the Charcoal which would not have any yellow. I could be wrong but I think that's what the Blizzards originally were?
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J Sierra

Yeah, even as a baby that snake has a lot of yellow - more yellow than more "standard" snow corns.
The lack of pattern may be due to the diffused gene being in the mix (just a guess).

Tim

Yeah, I see no head chevron pattern at all, or any visible blotching along the first third of the snake at all either, so I would say that has to be a blizzard.

~Doug
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I'm on board with the "Snow" theory. I thought that from the first time I saw the post and saw the amount of yellow on the back and on the belly. Especially the breeding photo, that yellow checked belly just doesn't look like a Blizzard belly. Regardless, he's a very beautiful snake and the babies are adorable! Congrats!

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Ball Pythons
1.1 100% het Caramel Albinos (Edward & Bella)
0.1 66% ph Caramel Albino (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel Albino (Bellatrix)
1.0 Butterscotch Ghost (Nick)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Pastel Orange Ghost (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Ghost(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
0.1 Blond Pastel (Katie)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.0.9 Eggs in the incubator (Edward x Bella)
0.0.3 Eggs in the incubator (Jasper x Esme)

Corns
1.1 het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Bloodred (Romeo & Juliet)
1.0 Blizzard het Bloodred poss het Anery Lav (Tumnus)
0.1 Anery Lav (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma (Victoria)
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.0.18 Eggs in the incubator (Romeo x Juliet)
0.0.4 assorted hatchlings (Romeo x Juliet)
0.0.18 Eggs in the incubator (Tumnus x Lucy)

Hogs
1.0 Albino Western (Hogwarts)
0.1 het Albino Western (Hufflepuff)
0.1 Tri Color (Molly)

i was just reading the cornsake Maual by the Loves, and it states that the first Charcoal every found was also het for Anery "A". This could explain what the heck is going on here. Doug said it but I didn't quite grasp it. Now I see that it may be both Aneries at work here!
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J Sierra

Glad you could verify that Jorge. That is very interesting indeed!

~Doug
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