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Variation in yearlings

jeff schofield Aug 01, 2010 08:16 PM

I took out a bunch of these yearlings from Scotts Hybino eastern/brooksi project for a group shot. My albino didnt make it(I have a real hard time with albino easterns for some reason), but here you can see the hypo with a range of dbl hets and poss dbl hets. One looks totally eastern, one looks totally brooksi, a third is pretty much brooksi, and then there is this "orange" tint abbarrant one next to hypo....which I cant figure out. They are 75% eastern, but you can see the definate brooksi influence on most offspring. That abbarrant one is the most interesting dont you think?
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Bluerosy Aug 01, 2010 11:20 PM

That light one you menationed is probably a female and the darker black ones males.
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jeff schofield Aug 01, 2010 11:22 PM

np

jeff schofield Aug 01, 2010 11:30 PM

Why would the lighter ones here be females when in your pb/jelly complex the sexual dimporphism is exactly the opposite?? To me that is a VERY interesting question! By the way, alabaster be damned! I wanted the Georgia boy with the PB/Jelly line to call it either FLUFFY or CRACKER! RE--VOTE!!

Bluerosy Aug 02, 2010 11:55 AM

Why would the lighter ones here be females when in your pb/jelly complex the sexual dimporphism is exactly the opposite?? To me that is a VERY interesting question! By the way, alabaster be damned! I wanted the Georgia boy with the PB/Jelly line to call it either FLUFFY or CRACKER! RE--VOTE

It is Albescent , not Alabaster.

I have no idea why males are born darker than females when it comes to normals. But as far as the ontogenetic lightening process goes in Florida kings. I found that dark males get lighter then their light female conterpart siblings, after they grow. Also males get bigger than females.

As far as the pb/jelly complex the sexual dimporphism being the opposite? Well the PB and T negs correlation seems to break all the rules already anyway.
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DMong Aug 02, 2010 02:42 PM

I would have went with "alabaster" personally, as that is a real word that describes a white translucent object(gypsum rock typically).

I guess you combined the two words albino and translucent together,..correct?

I think "Albescent" is going to be very confusing down the road, and even far more dificult to understand or say correctly for some too. But hey, they are obviously your snakes to do what you want with.

When many people hear the word "alabaster", it immediately paints an accurate mental picture of a particular white translucent look that something has.

Albescent(for me at least) leaves me thinking....what the hell????

Now I'm quite sure your intent is to have people going.......huh????, so they check further into your animal, but it might just do the opposite to whatever degree too.

In my opinion it isn't always about having a really weird bizarre name, but having the name make some good sense at the same time really.

Even though you hear the term alabaster being used once in a great while in the Ball Python hobby for the "Ivory's", it in no way can be confusing in the case of your floridana, it just won't happen.

Anyway, you could call it "joint compound" brooks, or too as far as I'm concerned, and that would also make people go huh??? too if that's what is more important..LOL!

just my opinion on it, and feel free to disregard it too..LOL!, but it seems to me you were even mentioning about keeping some form of consistent uniformity to mutation in the hobby just a little while ago. This would be a perfect time to do just that in my opinion.

But hey, if a few got on here and said "albescent" is better, by all means go with that.

~Doug
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ChristopherD Aug 02, 2010 07:21 AM

Cool snakes, that lighter "abberant" one actually shows true hypo-melanism by definition, but lacking the so often associated hyper-xanthism as seen in the labeled hypo. what do you think?

Jlassiter Aug 02, 2010 07:24 PM

>>Cool snakes, that lighter "abberant" one actually shows true hypo-melanism by definition, but lacking the so often associated hyper-xanthism as seen in the labeled hypo. what do you think?

True Hypomelanism would still have the same amount of black pattern only the melanin would be lighter in color......not pattern........

The black it does have is black.....Not lacking pigment......
Mostly all the hypomelanistic Floridana/Brooksi have true black (melanin)......Just reduced pattern.....
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Jlassiter Aug 02, 2010 07:26 PM

>>Cool snakes, that lighter "abberant" one actually shows true hypo-melanism by definition, but lacking the so often associated hyper-xanthism as seen in the labeled hypo. what do you think?

Wait....If you are speaking of the one that isn't yellowish.....
I think we are on the exact same page.....LOL
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