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After reading the thread bellow, is it safe to assume that a Super Sunglow Motley or even a Super Hypo Motley for that matter IS NOT possible? Just a thought and you know what they say about assuming. Thank you for any thoughts you may have.

>>After reading the thread bellow, is it safe to assume that a Super Sunglow Motley or even a Super Hypo Motley for that matter IS NOT possible? Just a thought and you know what they say about assuming. Thank you for any thoughts you may have.

Just curious if you bred a hypo motley to a super hypo what would come out and if all the motleys would only link up with one hypo trait while all the non motleys would be your supers. I wonder what would happen in that pairing.
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In theory.... if hypo and motley are on the same allel as they appear to be, the breeding you mentioned of a super hypo x hypo motley, I believe would only produce

50% Super Hypos
50% Hypo Motleys

All babies would be hypos because of the super, however since the hypo and motley traits do not travel together from the same parent, some babies would receive a hypo gene from both parents, making them Super Hypos, and the other babies would receive a hypo gene from the super hypo, and a motley gene from the hypo motley, creating Hypo motleys.

There shouldn't be any normal hypos or normal appearing offspring at all. Of course nobody really knows the true genetics of this yet, it is still being expiremented with, this is just an "in theory" method based upon what we THINK we know so far, but the hypo/motley genes have confused us thus far, who knows.....

That was what I mentioned, but it would be weird how usually in say hypo jungle to super hypo pairing, you would get hypos, super hypos, hypo jungles, and super hypo jungles, so I was just curious to see if the hypo and motley traits are so close that in fact all the motleys would only be hypo motleys and then like you said the other half litter would be all your supers. It would be something I would like to know for sure. Anyone done that pairing out there? Mr. Stone? Have you bred a hypo motley to a super?
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The difference between the hypo/jungle and hypo/motley traits make it possible. As you stated breeding a super hypo x hypo jungle can still create super hypo jungles. That is because jungle and hypo traits rest on different alleles, which is why the offspring can receive BOTH traits from a single parents, as opposed to a hypo motley parent, which can only pass one 1 trait or the other to it's offspring. The offspring from a hypo motley can only receive either a hypo gene, or a motley gene, but never both.

Hypo/motley and hypo/jungle genes do not work the same unfortunately, I wish they did. Kinda ruined all the fun with the hypo motley

>>The difference between the hypo/jungle and hypo/motley traits make it possible. As you stated breeding a super hypo x hypo jungle can still create super hypo jungles. That is because jungle and hypo traits rest on different alleles, which is why the offspring can receive BOTH traits from a single parents, as opposed to a hypo motley parent, which can only pass one 1 trait or the other to it's offspring. The offspring from a hypo motley can only receive either a hypo gene, or a motley gene, but never both.
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>>Hypo/motley and hypo/jungle genes do not work the same unfortunately, I wish they did. Kinda ruined all the fun with the hypo motley

Yeah we understand all that, just saying that it would be interesting to see a litter from a hypo motley to a super to see if in fact that is what happens.
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So what you are basically saying that the hypo jungle are totally independent of each other therefore both genes can create a super form even in the same animal.... but while there are super motleys and super hypos, a hypo motley is almost so to speak the super form... kinda like a super motley will produce all motleys, a super hypo will produce all hypos, and a hypo motley will produce 1/2 hypos and 1/2 motleys... correct

Of course that's not totally proven yet and there seems to be some odd anomalies with motleys but yeah, that's the gist of what I've gotten from all I've researched on them.
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