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Is any working with these? Thanks!,
Jeff

good luck...people have them but you never see any ...anywhere....

LOL.....I look.....

also....albino pure yellow rats.....!!!.....good ones....where are they?????

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................JY

I got a pair of Lemke line amel yellows from Walter Smith back in 01/02ish. Traded them off but wish I had kept them AAAAHHHH!! That line was known for their bright lemon yellow coloration. I agree JYohe, I have not seen good amel YELLOWS posted in quite a while!!!

I emailed Jeff regarding the amel glades, and stated I would be pretty leary about folks confusing bubblegums for amel glades, etc. Just my opinion, but I would question the validity of a PURE amel glades.

There was a breeder, fairly well known, but I can't think of his last name, Howie something, that had a group of bright lemon albino yellow rats up for sale about 4-5 months ago. They were absolutely gorgeous, but were all gone in a few days. I see a few other albino yellow rats up for sale in the classifieds, but sporadically, so they are out there you just have to look everyday.

Howie Sherman was his name.

"Howie Sherman was his name"

Yes, Howie is a friend of mine, and his are genuine amel yellow rats.

But I'm with Kevin on the validity of any genuine amel Everglades Rats in the hobby. The "bubble gums" originated back around 1990 or so From Bill Love who introduced the amel Black rat into the three-way cross of Black, Yellow and Everglades ratsnakes. So there has been PLENTY of time for their genes to have floated around to many projects out there, and back-bred, etc.....LOL!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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The three-way bubblegums come in a variety of phenotypic variations too. Anything from bold pink with contrasting blotches, to a very light pale snake. It can also be a more of a solid orange/red with little pattern at all too.

Here is a pic of a very boldly patterned and colored bubblegum ratsnake.

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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......line breed the pink ones like that.........!!!!!

.....please....LOL

......they'd sell too......
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................JY

Howie is also known for his Okeetee line too, if not mistaken. Back OT, the real deal yellows I remember were awesome as adults. IMO, that would be good founding stock for any amel glades. You can always line breed for the coloration and still maintain some integrity as to their "gladeness" LOL!! Unfortunately, its probably likely that bubblegums messed up a lot of amel yellow rat lines. Just too iffy to mess with unless you get good ones from reputable breeders that kept the lines pure IMHO!!!

That's right Kevin, he is also well-known for his locality Okeetee corns, Outer Banks kings, and a few others too.

He also produced ONE amel corn years ago from a big clutch of two 100% wild/caught parents from the Okeetee hunt club property!. I think he has since then produced amel hatchlings from that original animal too.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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....haven't heard Howie's name in awhile...no I don't know him....heard the name alot before....

....bubblegums are cool and can be very good yellow or orangish yellow, very pretty....yes three way crosses.....but nice...

as for amel yellow or glades....you think some of us or someone at all would actually breed the snot out of them....they sell....I am getting rid of almost all the cornsnakes...they are shot in the market for now...balls I like...and the oddball stuff stays if it pans out...Korean rats better settle down or they'll go...the hateful bass-turds.....garters....going ,spazzticsss......so there would be a good market for certain things....amel glade and yellow , Russians sell fast yet Koreans set there and do not sell....

.....anyone....have babies and throw them online....we'll all buy a pair......!!!

...(even good pure orange "glades" or "canary"/ "lemon" yellows)....
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................JY

I have a decent pr. of amel. yellow rats(I think).Best I can remember the seller told me what line these guys are.Will post full body pics soon! This is interesting stuff!
Jeff

Jeff, I am sure there are pure quadrivitta amels out there. If I remember correctly, they mature into REAL yellow animals with hints of stripes AND blotches in pinkish colors. They never full stripe out for some reason. I know Lloyd Lemke had a pure line, and I think most folks who propogate them earnestly have his line in their collections. So, its not uncommon to find pure amel yellows. I would think they also do not have as much pinks and reds as the bubblegums appear to have. Not sure, just my hunch. Man, the obsoleta clan is beginning to get as shrouded in mystery as the getula clan is these days. With zones of integradation being discovered, and old subspecies dying out, very interesting indeed. Some claim rossalleni/glades never truly existed, but were southern most variants of quadrivitta. Similar to rosacea losing its subspecific designation with the corn group. I am more and more leaning towards geographical variants myself. The quest is more to keep these variants intact as opposed to maintaining a subspecies. The discovery/unveiling of amelanism and other traits, whether man made or natural muddy the waters even more.

i bought a snake labled albino everglades rat at repticon in pensacola from fleming reptiles. when i looked at there website i didnt see albino glades, but did see bubblgums. i e-mailed him and asked him what i actually bought and he said he breeds both and what he brought to the show was glades. try e-mailing him.

and while we are at it, maybe you guys can tell me what i have for sure.

Well that is certainly an albino and not a hypo but what it is exactly is not certain. As far as I understand it the hypo everglades were bred into the albino black rats to produce the bubblegums but I am not aware of where a pure albino glades originated from. The line of hypo everglades that I have came from the Loves and as far as I am aware are pure everglades with the same origins as the Lincoln line, also hypo. No idea on Albinos..

Jason

Bill started the bubblegums from a triple cross about 1990. They are definitely an amel Black x amel Yellow x amel Everglades (triple homozygous) morph. The amel gene was introduced to the Yellow and Everglades via The amel Black rat gene. No hypo in the original one's at all. When these triple het offspring were back-bred each other, that is the origin of the first "bubblegum" Ratsnake.

However, he also had a 100% pure strain of hypo Everglades as well, but those have nothing to do with "bubblegums at all.

Don't get me wrong, there can be any and almost EVERYTHING under the sun in stuff now, and there certainly is in many types of breedings out there..LOL!, but they didn't originate from those other traits is all I am saying.

regards, ~Doug
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