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Has this already been done? I have nver heard of or seen one, but I was wondering if anyone knows how it would turn out?

something odd...LOL

ok...we all have our plans...let's all make them...

what color would it be?........hmmmmm....
an all white all black snake.....

zebra pattern would be the best ....(not possible)...I know....
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................JY

You never know..
The Super Mojave and Super Cinny could uncover some "Hiddin Zebra Gene".
I like to belive that its possible.
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Josh Molone

it will be all white ( super mojave ) period. there is no other option. basic genetics knowledge will allow you to understand that.
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wrong.......super mojave are not all white so adding an all black genetics to it would still be not all white....
light tan or light grey would be a good guess I think...but hopefully with a shade that sells.....aaaaah....maybe tinted purpleish.....

......all white .....black eyed is closest....might be......BEL are not white.....and I hope mine hatch out really colored up....
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................JY

its nice to see that you have no idea how leucism works. probably time to go bone up on your genetics lessons.
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in the ball python world ,,,nothing works as it should....tell me you ever saw a fader deer or moose out there...?

...and show me an all white snake from a super mojave....no way....or an ivory,,,,,very few all whites out there....

.....I know genetics.....and I know balls disprove most of it...

....ask Satan.....he is the Evil cause of it all.....

.....!
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................JY

wow you just really don't get it do you? first i'm using "white snake" loosely meaning that that combo would look just like a super mojave. second, if you really understood anything about genetics or disorders, such as leucism, you would understand that leucism just flat out doesnt allow pigment to be made.

Leucism (occasionally spelled leukism) is a general term for the phenotype resulting from defects in pigment cell differentiation and/or migration from the neural crest to skin, hair or feathers during development. This results in either the entire surface (if all pigment cells fail to develop) or patches of body surface (if only a subset are defective) having a lack of cells capable of making pigment.
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*** wow you just really don't get it do you? first i'm using "white snake" loosely meaning that that combo would look just like a super mojave. second, if you really understood anything about genetics or disorders, such as leucism, you would understand that leucism just flat out doesnt allow pigment to be made.

Leucism (occasionally spelled leukism) is a general term for the phenotype resulting from defects in pigment cell differentiation and/or migration from the neural crest to skin, hair or feathers during development. This results in either the entire surface (if all pigment cells fail to develop) or patches of body surface (if only a subset are defective) having a lack of cells capable of making pigment. ***

Hi,

Not trying to be argumentative in this and really more of adding my two cents. The super mojave maybe termed a "lucy" but the "coloring" isn't consistent with every snake. Have you seen the super mojave with the purple back posted for sale a few months ago? This is part of the fun of wondering "oh hey what if I add another morph into it." The pastel super mojave's head is whiter so it means that it CAN be affected by other morphs. Maybe, a cinnamon gene will make the head appear darker and that would be awesome. Maybe it would make a purple stripe appear and that would be awesome. With ball pythons, you just never know so don't just "say" it's not going to look any different... prove it. Make your own super mojave super cinnamon.

Sorry, I didn't mean to start and argument.I'm new to breeding and genetics and I was just wondering if it would work. and if so, what would it look like. I'm hopeful that something might come out of the breeding, but I haven't done it yet. Even if it doesn't work, it's exciting that one clutch may produce a white snake and a black/dark brown snake it both parents are cinnamon mojaves.

It's great to wonder what the possibilities are! Every time I ask myself, what would this and this looks like?... first I google, then I ask, haha. If it hasn't been done, it's on my list of projects which actually includes the super black pastel super mojave. I have 2 black pastel mojaves that I have yet to sex but hopefully it's a boy and a girl!

no worries, this thread/topic pops up constantly on forums so it gets a tad annoying. googling or forum searching first is always a good idea. odds are its already been asked and youll get the answer right away
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sweet...and it would not be white....even white snakes aren't...

.....so , boyz and girlz...let's all say...I will try and make a super super real soon...!

really....AND IF someone makes it how the hey are we going to know what it is....Kev makes alot of stuff and we say cool...(and other people)....and even they ahve only an idea that that is what they actually made....prove later it may not be a 5 way cross...just a cool 3 way....

anyways.....it's really cheap to make a double double white black snake..........
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................JY

i was more implying that it wont make a grey snake. the head color could be affected slightly but id bet on it looking almost identical to a regular super mojave. the body certainly wouldnt change since it is obviously lacking pigment production.
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whoever you are.....
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................JY

wow...you are right OMG...white snakes are actually all white...it muist be friggen imagination that friggen super mojaves are actually not all white...like gee OMG....and it must be imagination like see that like ivory have a yellow stripe and smudged head...I am sooooo sorry...gee...I put on my special asshole glasses now and see things your friggen way...

thank you so much gee golly....stfu

bye....

DUH....

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................JY

haha wow, i always thought you were "special" based on your posts but w/e. you clearly still don't understand how the whole lucy complex works. I've tried explaining it to your feeble mind but all you wunna do is state the obvious that super mojaves have gray heads (which i already said i was using the term "white snake" loosely to refer to the general color), and now something about ivorys????? ivorys aren't even in the lucy complex so that's kind of a pointless argument, and just further shows that you know nothing of genetics, which make your arguments even less valid since you just showed everyone that you just flat out don't know what you're talking about.

anyways, I'm done trying to explain to you how it works, because you either just flat out wont understand it or don't care and just want to argue.

on that note I'm done responding to your abrasive ignorance.
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......I've been breeding snakes more than you, maybe more than you lived, aced genetics long ago...I was first to breed ,and- or buy , sell, more than one morph...I looked at your collection....wanna compare balls?....

.....you are a GOD...wow....bow, bow ...whine...yea...you win...

.....LOL....

now prove it ....really.......with all them females you got...prove it......hmmmm.....
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................JY

Hey! You're talking to my guy JYohe all wrong. It's the wrong tone. While you are somewhat right on the simplest terms of the definition of leucistic and you clearly have a basic knowledge of genetics and have probably done some homework, I will give you credit for that, anyone who has studied genetics and has really done any real study and real work in the trenches, knows that not everything is black and white and the focus on one tiny aspect may cause you to loose site of the dynamics of the incredibly complex overall system (the big picture), and the effects of one set can be trumped by another set or several sets. What the result of this breeding will be is anyones guess untill it's done. As is often stated in science "show me the data" and that means the "real raw data" not your educated, predicted hypothesis. When you're all grown up and you figure out how to hyperlink your website in your sig you might understand this.
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Jeff Benfer
gartersnakemorph.com

well......LOL

....I just like yelling......

and.....they said over and over and over again....leucism cuts out all pigment...period......yea...well....sort of yes it might.....we are talking balls here, nothing is perfect or predictable here.....and if we use an all melanistic type snake ...it makes the melanin total or completely covering the animal......hmmm....so.....total melanin without melanin....have to make it to prove it...actually even after it is made it will need to be bred for a few years to prove it....we can only guess what it looks like, even after it hatches....

.....Thanxx and have fun.....kinda stfu with the collection idea huh?......

.........see you in Hamburg!!!!

.......bring ice......
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................JY

Wow, hot topic.

My opinion is that the snake's appearance would depend entirely on the specific genetic mechanisms that cause the leucism (all white with pigmented eyes) and hypermelanism (usually all black or all brown due to excess melanin or melanocytes).

The only way to know what it would look like is to make one since we do not know the specific physiological causes of why Ball Morphs look the way they do.
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