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One of our Hypo Translucent Smoothies from purple line.
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Hopefully pic this time!

another......

is it a smoothie or leatherback? cool dragon!

They are Smoothies, The Grandmother "Medusa" was from Sandfire Ranch...Canary Yellow Hypo Translucent Stripped Smoothie (Recessive?)and was bred to "Omega" US Hypo Het Translucent and we were told after purchasing these to breed them together and they were from a purple line. We now have some of the offspring of this pairing who when born were very smooth...so Medusa couldnt have been recessive. "Bully" (the offspring to Medusa) was put to a Hypo Trans from Alphadragonz and produced this little lady....the rest of the clutch have stayed very dark purple after first shed, but we will wait and see......they are not reduced like this female. We currently have a 2nd clutch hatching, no smoothies out yet!
I think she is the Smoothest "Smoothie" I have ever seen!

The smoothie gene is more recessive. The leatherback gene is a dominant... So its like half leather-half-smoothie.... lol. Its like a super smoooth smoothie, some raised scales. But man thats one Hell of a htahcling you got there! I would keep that little bugger to myself. Nice production.

sincerely,
ABD
www.AtlantaBeardedDragons.com

Thats not true about the smoothies being recessive. The last clutch I had hatched about a week or so ago. It was a new cross...american smoothie x belgian red. Out of I believe 26 babies, 17 were obvious smoothies. Alot of them are very smooth, very comparable to any of the leathers I have as well. I also had crossed the same sire to another female earlier in the year, same thing....obvious difference between smoothie and normals. Last year I was getting maybe 1 or 2 that were really smooth out of a clutch, then some reduced scale, some normal. This year for the most part was cut and dry....smoothie or not. I also have eggs cooking from a different male smoothie x leather to see what happens with them.

These are the smoothies that hatched out a week or so ago.

I believed a smoothie was co dom, but a Stripped smoothie which Medusa was supposed to be was recessive, but clearly not in her case.
We have bred Smoothie x Italian Leatherbacks and had 25% silkies...so must be co dom....

Maybe was in the stripe that was a recessive trait? I really wasn't aiming to produce silks, but I wanted to do that cross...the smoothie x leather. Cool to hear that you produced the silks from the cross, because I have heard of people that have not produced silks from the cross.

Where are you located?

No smoothie isnt recessive... Trans is the recessive gene.

There are 3 types of leatherbacks:

1)Italian(allessandro's line) codominant
2)American aka: smoothie(A.C line)codominant
3)recessive(skeletor line)

Both Italian and american leathers will produce silks and are compatible. The recessive line origionated from a hypotransluscent(skeletor) that I produced about 6 years ago. Recessive leatherbacks only have a smooth torso while the rest of the body has normal spiney scales. When the codominant leathers and the recessive leathers are combined, the end result is a micro leather- a bearded with a very smooth(almost papery thin) torso with very reduced side spikes, and the rest of it's body has regular leatherback scales.

Josh

I quickly pulled some pics. I will have many more pics and info soon when my website is up.

The dragon on the left is a micro leather and the one on the right is a recessive leather. Note the spiney legs and tail on the recessive.
Josh

Josh

This one is a combo of the italian leather line and the recessive leather line. I also produced a few micro leathers from the american leather line to the recessive line this year.

Josh

Recessive leathers will not produce silkbacks.
Josh

What happens if you cross a microscale leather with a recesieve leatherback ?

Do you get recesieve leathers and co-dominant leathers in that clutch ?

Yes.

You get some micro leathers ,recessive leathers, normal scaled, and codominant leathers.

The pic of the two babies was from a recessive leather male to a micro leather female. When i get my website up, i will have many more examples. I have to comb through thousands of pics.

Josh

Ok thanks but how do you seperate the recessieve leathers from the co-dominant leathers ?

a pic of another from same clutch after 1 shed, note the purple going onto his belly......he also is reduced but not as much as his sister......
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I will get the hang of this one day...sorry try again with pic!
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So what type of leather would you label this one as? Skeletor is his great grandfather. His grandfather was a true quad het. His father was a leatherback (and not a very smooth one)bred to a normal hypo het trans.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
David

Hard to say. Who did you get the quad het cross from?
Nice dragon! Josh

Thanks Josh.

You crossed Skeletor with ? dragon to get Pancake which I THINK Caliente owned. They then worked with Alpha Dragonz to breed Pancake with one of his females to get Leo, the quad het. He was bred to Envy (who I think you bred)who is an extreme red supertrans, het hypo. That cross gave me the father of the baby shown in the picture. Hope that made some sense! LOL

Interesting...Thank you.

I origionally sold pancake and his sister as ??? dragons. Never sold them as recessive leathers. At the time I really had no clue what they were, and i would have to do further breedings to find out.

After a bunch of test breedings, I found that pancake is not from the skeletor line. Even though pancake looks similar(but not as smooth) to the recessive leathers, they are not compatible and the cross(skeletor line x pancake) will produce mostly just regular scaled(maybe a few with minor reduced scales) dragons. The pancake line breeds like color. If not line bred, the trait will be diluted and eventually lost.

Lets say pancake was a recessive leather. In order to produce quad hets, pancake would have to be bred to a codominant american or italian hypotransluscent to carry all 4 traits. Any other combo would leave gaps.

Hope this makes sense too, and clears things up a bit. This info will be put on my site.

Thanks, Josh