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Old World Kingsnakes?

Ryan_Sikola Aug 05, 2010 12:26 AM

Well I've been studying for a few years and it surprises me that no one ever brought it up. Coronella is a newer discription of a european snakes known as "smooth snakes" that used to be in the same genus as kings and milks.

"Taxonomy

Coronella is closely related to the American kingsnakes (Lampropeltis) and both groups were once classified within the same genus"

Some pics:




Should more studying be done to see if this is truly the european kingsnake? What are your thoughts?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronella

Replies (8)

DMong Aug 05, 2010 12:34 AM

Yes, those remind me a bit of the calligaster complex.

Those are some interesting snakes.

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CrimsonKing Aug 05, 2010 04:25 AM

Coronella once described many colubrid snakes including among others...Coronella doliata
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DMong Aug 05, 2010 09:49 AM

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Jlassiter Aug 05, 2010 07:22 AM

>>Well I've been studying for a few years and it surprises me that no one ever brought it up. Coronella is a newer discription of a european snakes known as "smooth snakes" that used to be in the same genus as kings and milks.
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>>"Taxonomy
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>>Coronella is closely related to the American kingsnakes (Lampropeltis) and both groups were once classified within the same genus"

>>Should more studying be done to see if this is truly the european kingsnake? What are your thoughts?

Looks very similar to a Steppe's Ratsnake.....Diones
Steppes Ratsnakes are very kingsnake like as they are not the normal old world rat racer......they are docile like kingsnakes and have the "shiny shields".........

I always thought that Steppes Ratsnakes reminded me of calligaster.......So I see the correlation Doug stated...

Is the coronella known to feed on other reptiles?
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Ryan_Sikola Aug 05, 2010 10:31 AM

Yes they feed on lizards, slow worms (legless lizards) and rodents.

I've been on the lookout for a pair of coronella girondica for a couple years but they never get imported...

tgcorley Aug 05, 2010 07:23 AM

If I saw this snake for the first time I'd probably guess it was related to Elaphe as much as Lampropeltis because of the shape of the head, and the scales, which look like a North America rat snake. DNA and RNA sequencing would certainly clear things up, but there's a funding drought out there for pure research since the world's economies went south . . .

Tony D Aug 05, 2010 08:04 AM

on at least a superficial level that looks a lot like a prairie king.
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Jeff Schofield Aug 05, 2010 11:33 PM

More studying should be done on EVERYTHING. Finding funding for such an endevor is tantamount to panhandling, the major reason I left governmental biology. You see Bob Ballard on TV in a minisub a couple days a year, the other 363 he is out panhandling trying to get people to pay for his ideas. He has to beg for $$ and he is famous, has done alot of good work in the field. Best bet for funding is going to work panhandling for such a name, but its still what it is....sorry.

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