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I bred some more cool African stuff this year and the outcome was amazing but really depressing at the same time. While I did prove out a couple new animals to be genetic, the babies went full term in the egg and for whatever reason did not pip so on day 60 I cut the eggs and they were all alive but had wayyy too much yolk unabsorbed for being on day 60. Anywaay, they all stuck their heads and necks out of the eggs, boy oh boy was I excited! Unfortunately then in the next couple hours they were still sitting hanging half way out of the eggs, dead. No idea what happened. I have hatched quite a few ball pythons and I have never had anything like this happen. They almost acted like they were incubated way too hot, but they were not. Anyway, here are some pics of some of them. Evan

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Evan Stahl Reptiles
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a couple more pics, some really amazing color on these guys

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sorry for your loss!

those are pretty cool looking.

how much do the parents vary from these hatchlings?

Pitoon

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the parents are kind of a hypo-ish bellied, orange granite like look. they were siblings so I bred them together just for the heck of it. it seems like at this point I can speculate that the babies were two of the base mutation and a super form of it, unless there is something else as well. I will try again next year and there is still one more baby that I am hoping may make it.
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next year will be better!

that light one is really really cool looking.

Pitoon

>>the parents are kind of a hypo-ish bellied, orange granite like look. they were siblings so I bred them together just for the heck of it. it seems like at this point I can speculate that the babies were two of the base mutation and a super form of it, unless there is something else as well. I will try again next year and there is still one more baby that I am hoping may make it.
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thanks very much, the blue eyes are pretty funky too
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I'm new to all of of this, and I'm not trying to step on any toes.
I just had a thought and don't want to cause any offense.

Is it possible that the parents were to closely related and that was the reason for the clutch not working out very well?

I do know that with reptiles a bit more intra-breeding is ok, but when would it be considered to much? Like I said, just a thought and I don't meant to offend anyone.

how do you think we have all the animals we have today....after they got off Noah's Ark...

Pitoon

>>I'm new to all of of this, and I'm not trying to step on any toes.
>>I just had a thought and don't want to cause any offense.
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>>Is it possible that the parents were to closely related and that was the reason for the clutch not working out very well?
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>>I do know that with reptiles a bit more intra-breeding is ok, but when would it be considered to much? Like I said, just a thought and I don't meant to offend anyone.

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no offense taken. it is not really a problem inbreeding ball pythons or any other reptile just a couple generations. It becomes a major factor when you do it many generations. I know people who have run into massive birth defects with leopard geckos, bearded dragons and other lizards as well as the eye problems with albino boas and the kinking in caramel ball pythons.

I took two animals that while they were siblings, the odds the parents were related is pretty slim. But the answer is, I dont know and nobody knows yet. I will do it again next season and that will tell us much more. Until then it could be one of many many things. You have to keep in mind that "morphs" is a nice way of saying "mutation" and most mutations are birth defects and negative. So this could have come from combining the two animals dna and there may have just been too much damage to chromosomes or other building blocks. Who knows?
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Well said Evan,and love the colors I think they would have been sweet snakes.But yes try again never know whats going to happen.Ball Pythons are a constant learning hobby.
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1.0 100%het albino
0.1 100%het albino
1.0 pastel
1.0 spider
0.1 pastel
0.1 butter
1.0 albino hc
0.1 orange ghost
1.0 100%het pied poss het albino ringer
0.1 med pied
1.0 pewter
0.1 pinstripe
0.1 pastel

Thank you for the very informative answer and I appreciate the depth. Like I said, I was really just curious. Better luck next year and wish you the best for the rest of the season

Hey Evan,

Sorry for your loss.
I hope the last baby makes it.
Looks like you really have something interesting there.
With a little luck, you will hopefully produce some good babies next season.
I look forward to seeing next years results.
Keep us informed.
Thanks for sharing.

Harlin

Dude, that sucks! Sometimes, babies have congenital defects and nothing was done wrong in incubation! What people always forget is, in the wild, that happens all the time! There's just nobody sittin' around documenting all the data!

Taking a stab in the dark, any chance they weren't cooked long enough? did you have a incubator/heat malfunction during incubation?

My first year breeding, my temps were low (84-85) It took 70 plus days for my bp's to hatch.

They were beautiful, hope they hatch healthy next season.
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