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I went to feed my Anery Lav female this morning and when I lifted her hide I found her coiled around a clutch of eggs. She laid her 1st clutch 58 days ago and was not put with a male since she laid that clutch so I was not expecting another clutch. Could they possibly be fertile? Four were obvious slugs which I threw away. One I'm on the fence about so put it in it's own tub and will give it a shot. The other dozen eggs actually look pretty decent. My other female also double clutched this year after not being bred since her first clutch but either they were all slugs to begin with or I just didn't find them in time so all were bad.

This begs a question. If you have females that are double clutchers should you breed them again after the first clutch to have a better chance of having a fertile 2nd clutch even if you don't necessarily want them to have a 2nd clutch if they will lay that 2nd clutch regardless?

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Ball Pythons
1.1 100% het Caramel Albinos (Edward & Bella)
0.1 66% ph Caramel Albino (Rosalie)
0.1 Caramel Albino (Bellatrix)
1.0 Butterscotch Ghost (Nick)
1.0 Honey Bee (Aragog)
0.1 Pastel Orange Ghost (Nagini)
0.1 Spider 66% ph Ghost(Nymphadora)
1.1 Mojaves (Lucius & Renesme)
0.1 Pastel Lesser (Narcissa)
0.1 Pinstripe (Arwen)
1.0 Pewter (Salazar)
0.1 Bumble Bee (Alice)
0.1 Lemonblast (Luna)
0.1 Blond Pastel (Katie)
1.0 Bell Pastel (Jasper)
0.1 African Dinker (Esme)
0.1 Normal (Madame Olympe Maxime)
0.0.9 Eggs in the incubator (Edward x Bella)
0.0.3 Eggs in the incubator (Jasper x Esme)

Corns
1.1 het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Bloodred (Romeo & Juliet)
1.0 Blizzard het Bloodred poss het Anery Lav (Tumnus)
0.1 Anery Lav (Lucy)
0.1 Plasma (Victoria)
0.1 Opal (Jewel)
0.0.18 Eggs in the incubator (Romeo x Juliet)
0.0.4 assorted hatchlings (Romeo x Juliet)
0.0.18 Eggs in the incubator (Tumnus x Lucy)

Hogs
1.0 Albino Western (Hogwarts)
0.1 het Albino Western (Hufflepuff)
0.1 Tri Color (Molly)

Please keep us updated on what happens. This is something I am very curious about! I asked for any data on this subject in the kingsnake forum but there were only opinions mostly. I had two snakes that were with their mates after the first clutch and all the eggs were obviously duds. So who can make any sense of all this, lol. But please keep us posted.
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>>I went to feed my Anery Lav female this morning and when I lifted her hide I found her coiled around a clutch of eggs. She laid her 1st clutch 58 days ago and was not put with a male since she laid that clutch so I was not expecting another clutch. Could they possibly be fertile? Four were obvious slugs which I threw away. One I'm on the fence about so put it in it's own tub and will give it a shot. The other dozen eggs actually look pretty decent. My other female also double clutched this year after not being bred since her first clutch but either they were all slugs to begin with or I just didn't find them in time so all were bad.
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>>This begs a question. If you have females that are double clutchers should you breed them again after the first clutch to have a better chance of having a fertile 2nd clutch even if you don't necessarily want them to have a 2nd clutch if they will lay that 2nd clutch regardless?
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My stripe cream double clutched a couple of seasons in a row...didn't really expect..first season found them in her water bowl...apparently they had been in there too long didn't make it. last season she laid five good ones in an un-planned second clutch so this season I put her with the male again after she got a few meals and had her post lay shed....I saw them hook up but this season shed didn't lay a second clutch....bummer...
So to answer your question....I have no idea...lol
Since she has double clutched a couple of times previously I will put a male with her again next season and see how it goes.

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Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Thats what happened with my female. She layed her 1st clutch back in May? an I figured I'd give it a shot on incubating them. None of them hatched. Around the time they were suppose to hatch she layed another clutch. I figured out she was going to lay again after a shed an she refused to eat. So put her nest box in an couple days later more eggs. This clutch looks like more fertile eggs then the first clutch. I have them in my homemade incubator an hoping for the best...again

out. I just go ahead and put in a nest box after they have that post lay shed, just in case.

I only got three good eggs from my old lady corn. She didn't double clutch.

I got 23 eggs and 3 duds from my normal het hypo,amel,lav and motley female. She double clutched without being with the male, 7 eggs 7 duds. And when the eggs first hatched I found out she is also het anery.

I got 13 eggs and 9 duds from my upper keys female. She is double clutching right now without the male, but they all look like duds. I'll give her 'til tomorrow morning before I take her out to have a good look.

One of my cal kings double clutched without the male but they were all duds.
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Amy Claiborne

Don't let them take your wasted time. J.T.

>This begs a question. If you have females that are double >clutchers should you breed them again after the first clutch to >have a better chance of having a fertile 2nd clutch even if you >don't necessarily want them to have a 2nd clutch if they will >lay that 2nd clutch regardless?
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Over the years, I had several female corns that routinely double-clutch and, in all cases, I have never re-introduced a male after the initial Spring breeding. While I do get a few more unfertile eggs the 2nd clutch is always near 100% fertile...though it has considerably less eggs that the 1st clutch. I have never re-introduced a male after the 1st breeding because in all honesty, I really do not want my girls to double-clutch. It takes too much out of them so I really would love to learn a way to avoid this. One clutch per girl, per season is truly enough. My milks, gophers, bulls never double clutch. Only the corns. I even had a female double clutch two rounds of duds this season. I held off on several girls due in part to the bad economy and because I wanted to give some of them a break but in her case, I guess even without introducing her to a partner, she still decided to lay eggs. Other females that were held off did not produce eggs.

After all is said and done my take on this is that a female can and will lay eggs even without being introduced to a male and many females will routinely double clutch. If you wanted to ensure a very high number of fertile eggs on the 2nd clutch, it probably makes sense to introduce a male to her again if double-clutching is what you are after.

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Ken Roshak
BlackSwampSerpents@toast.net

keep them....
....hatch them
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................JY

IF you feed them well enough they will lay anyways....and even second anyways...so you might as well breed them a couple times for the second clutch...most snakes here lay even without ever seeing a male...they smell them I know...but even if I want to wait and get her bigger,,,any subspecies of snake...she may lay anyways....

......the eggs are good...she held sperm very well...and the male was good and had a good count...if the male is low count you get duds....even if bred sometimes....

.....I have seen second clutches better than first....

and I pull males 2 weeks ahead of females to produce more sperm till she comes up....

usually...LOL...
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................JY