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5 ways Oil Drops Could Still...Gulf

jscrick Aug 09, 2010 09:33 AM

From HerpDigestVolume 10, Issue 35, 8/8/10

6) Five Ways Oil Drops Could Still Be Deadly to Gulf
by Eli Kintisch Science Magazine, August 2, 2010

Last week the debate about the fate of oil in the gulf took, according to major media reports, an optimistic turn. Now Representative Ed Markey (D-MA) is raising questions about federal oversight of dispersant use in the gulf, and a Senate committee is holding a hearing on the issue on Wednesday.

But while scientists acknowledge that dispersants can have negative effects, they are generally more worried about the oil than the dispersants, as the oil is far more toxic and more than 100 times more of it has been released. At a briefing last week in Washington, D.C., scientists were cautiously supportive of the government's gutsy decision on 15 May to allow BP to squirt tens of thousands of gallons of dispersants a day a mile deep. More than a million gallons of Corexit have been released on the sea floor since, with another 800,000 gallons sprayed by plane on the surface-in what amounts to a major, unprecedented experiment. Overall, the researchers said the move saved vast areas of coastal ecosystems and greatly reduced the amount of oil that would need to be collected or burned.

Dispersants break the oil into tiny molecules that present tens of thousands of times more surface area than normal crude to microbes to be eaten; the molecules also rise to the surface much more slowly than raw crude. Some 50 scientists at a workshop at Louisiana State University predicted these benefits from the dispersants in May, signaling their support for the decision the government had made; some dissenters led by Sylvia Earle have said it was too soon to declare it a success.

But scientists at last week's congressional briefing said say some important risks to the undersea environment remain:

1) Oil drops could wreak havoc on tuna eggs and larvae. Atlantic bluefin tuna are now spawning in their warm gulf waters. How might the oil drops affect their food supply? Biologist Robert Diaz of the College of William and Mary in Williamsburg, Virginia, said scientists don't know. "Is the dispersed oil better or worse for the tuna-that's hard to judge," Diaz said.

2) By virtue of their size, small oil drops could be deadly. Dispersing the oil means breaking it into smaller drops, which can do unexpected things-like get wedged into the layers of armor of baby crabs, a Tulane University scientist found, as ScienceInsider reported earlier this month. Although the oil has yet to be detected in the bodies of the larvae, researchers don't know what effect it may have on the crabs and whether natural molting of their shells could rid them of the pollutant. Had the decision been made not to disperse the oil under water, the oil would have largely remained on the surface where "perhaps the larvae wouldn't see it," said Diaz.

By making the oil drops tiny-biologist Kenneth Lee of the Bedford Institute of Oceanography in Nova Scotia, Canada, estimated the dispersed oil drops are several hundred micrometers in size-they are far smaller than shrimp eggs or larvae, and that provides a new way for the pollutant to get into their cells. !
"Hopefully, [the oil] is diluted enough" that it's not affecting them much, said Diaz, although he has no data either way.

3) Vast undersea plumes may have gone undetected. As ScienceInsider reported last week, dozens of federal and academic scientists aboard seven research vessels in the gulf believe the undersea oil is very dilute and has remained, for the most part, within 50 km of the wellhead. Lee described how scientists use daily data from this monitoring to plan where to send ships the following day, lowering the chance that large oil plumes have remained undetected after weeks of searching.
But could giant plumes have been missed in the vast gulf anyway? "That's possible. We just don't know," said oceanographer Nancy Kinner of the University of New Hampshire in Durham. Undersea gliders operating at depth have given additional data to scientists on currents, but they lack strong detection devices for finding oil. "It's just not something you can rig to these gliders in 30 days," said Kinner, who laid out a series of new research priorities for spill scientists related to finding su!
ch plumes. (ScienceInsider will cover that next week.)

4) Are dispersants playing chemical chaperones for poisons? Dispersants form minute oil droplets by coating the oily molecules, making them into small drops surrounded by dispersant molecules. Chemist Bob Gagosian of the Consortium for Ocean Leadership in Washington, D.C., told Science Insider yesterday that some scientists worry that this could allow the most toxic elements of crude oil-polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs)-to enter the bodies of ocean microbes, with unknown effects.

5) Unk-unks. Dangers scientists don't know about so they can't gauge them-so-called unknown-unknowns-might lurk far below the surface. "Our knowledge declines with depth," said Diaz. For example, he said, researchers have scant details about how ecosystems that rely on deep-sea sediments work. Plus, pointed out Lee, natural oil seeps spew oil into the ocean all the time, which is, to some extent, naturally dispersed into smaller drops. Scientists have little ability thus far to differentiate between these sources and oil droplets formed by Corexit-or, for that matter, teasing out an anthropogenic signs.
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Replies (9)

natsamjosh Aug 09, 2010 09:19 PM

Interesting stuff, but given the python and other herp-related crap that "federal and academic scientists" have tried to pass off as legitimate science, I don't even know what or who to believe anymore.

jscrick Aug 09, 2010 10:37 PM

There is always some hidden agenda behind the Government's positions and it usually goes to money, bottom line. I suspect the Obama Administration is in full damage control mode, in order to spin/minimize the ecological damage. Public opinion has been that they didn't handle it well. Personally, I think they did the best they could, all things considered.
From what I've been seeing on TV, the local shrimpers aren't buying the "everything's alright" story. Say that the shrimp have oil contamination from the mud. Something I said a while back, that the oil would be throughout the water column, not just the surface.
My feeling is that the oil spill will have long term consequences.
jsc
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emysbreeder Aug 10, 2010 12:37 AM

I would have to say that Obama would want to "maxamise" the damage because he is anti industry of any kind and can blame and blame BP in every speech he makes for the next two years of him being president. Making the oil dropletts smaller is a bad idea, now it will get into every organism from the bottom of the food chain up. We know how to clean it up, IF we can see it. I was in the cleaning bussness. You can get oil off of anything with Xyleen, but it dosnt go away you just have a very big stain of oil on a rag! You still have oil, just deluted to a point it can penatrate your skin. Even the slight fumes on my boots would mix with any food I ate in my truck on my way home and make me very sick. BURP... Ahhhh the smell of xyleen in the morning VM

kachunga Aug 10, 2010 12:02 AM

I am probably in the minority here, but I don't feel the spill will have any real lasting effects. While I admit dumping thousands of gallons of chemicals into the gulf isn't a good thing, I also know the gulf is a pretty big place. It gets thousands of gallons of other chemicals dumped in it all of the time. All of that oil and all of the chemical dispersants will eventually be diluted to a unrecognizable level. It will take a little time but keep in mind the oceans leak oil naturally.
It seems like yesterday we were lamenting the probable loss of the DBT's and it is now clear they will be unaffected. The marshes are already growing green again in areas that have been cleaned. Not to say there is not a lot of work to be done, but I dont think it will take 20 years to rebound like it did in Prince William sound.
Just my opinion.
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brhaco Aug 10, 2010 07:40 AM

Actually, Prince William Sound STILL has not recovered-take a walk on the beach there, and turn over some rocks. The oil's still there. The same will happen to the Gulf marshes, only worse-mud will hold the oil far longer than gravel.
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jscrick Aug 10, 2010 09:39 AM

Things will not be known for a decade, at least.

The thing is: number one -- the velocity of the oil ejection from the well, combined with the gas egected has atomized at least some of the oil into very small components. Second, the dispersants used have also fractionated the oil into very small components. The nature of the dispersants is that of a detergent, or soap -- a molecule with a hydrophilic end and a hydrophobic end. The working action/purpose of the dispersants is to grab hold of the oil and to titer it from the system, which it has done. The Hydrophilic end of the oil/detergent molecules are water soluble and waiting to be ingested, assimilated, and accumulated into the organs and tissues of the creatures at sea.

Here is one example -- The effect of all this is that now great quantities of oil are sitting on the bottom of the sea and are being ingested and contaminating the mud loving bottom dwelling shrimp that are such a huge part of the ecosysytem and the local economy.

Think of the Food Web...the Food Chain...basic Ecology. All it takes is for one component of the cycle to collapse from oil contamination and the whole thing could go. Cumulative effects could take generations (seasons).

Here is another scenario -- we have no idea what the oil will do to to Oxygen levels in the water. What if the oil suppresses the Oxygen levels to an extent that all the Phytoplankton/Plankton/Microorganisms at the base of the food chain fail to reproduce next season or some following season?

It will take generations (seasons) to determine any significant detrimental effect.

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kachunga Aug 10, 2010 10:34 AM

Isn't there a higher concentration of oil eating microbes in the gulf than there is in Prince William Sound? I would think that environmentally speaking, the gulf can heal itself faster than a sound in Alaska.
The points on environmental destruction are well taken. The residents of LA will be dealing with the effects longer than anyone. But I think everyone has to admit that the spill could have been a lot worse. Not that long ago people were saying that oil would be detected on the eastern seaboard.
There is still a lot of unknowns.
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jscrick Aug 10, 2010 12:04 PM

I can imagine tar balls washing up onshore along the Loop Current pathway ten years from now. We will know in time.
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emysbreeder Aug 10, 2010 01:10 PM

you quoting algor? Even if true, different kind of oil, difference water condishions,very low temps.,curents,its frozen oil, its not going to effect things like Gulf where its going to get into micro organisms at the botton of the food chain. Besides there are no snakes to hide under the rocks. Go ahead one up me......yea but..... VM

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