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Cooling -Something Different This Year..

byron.d Aug 12, 2010 06:46 PM

Based on things I’ve learned here on the forum and seen in my animals behavior I decided to try something very different this year. In the Fall of last year I paired up all my breeders – kings, pits, and rats.
I dropped the hotspot temp to 88 degrees - from the normal 91, and let the snakes do what they wanted…… I housed my pairs in 40 inch long tubs with the front third outside the rack (I’ll have to get photos so you can see what I mean). This allowed the front of the enclosure to stay at room temp and created a good temp gradient.
A good number of my breeders are young and this was their second or third year producing – giving me somewhat of a benchmark for comparison….
Most all of my females – of all species, spent equal time on and off the heat source. They feed normally and never refused a meal. My males spent more time on the cool side and some ate less but all did eat. They only used the heat to digest and went right back to the cool side. It should be noted that ALL of my Cal King breeders – all wild caught animals, shut down on feeding in the late Fall, but NEVER left the heat source – and I mean at all. I found this very interesting. They were offered food weekly like all the other snakes but they never once took the rodents.
In the late Spring I noticed a lot of activity in the males and then in the females. Breeding started very shortly after that.
I got the same sized clutches this year – allowing the snakes to do what they wanted, as I did in years past, when I forced them to cool. My Gophers, Bulls, and Kings produced large healthy eggs with an average of fertility rate of 90%.
My Texas rats and Glades rats double clutched with all good eggs (as usual for them), and my Rosy rats produced for the first time this year, very large 100% fertile clutches. As well, my Mexican Bairds produced a large good clutch.
My Black rats threw slugs and I actually sort of expected this because I’ve heard that Black rats need to be cooled to reproduce… I don’t know if this is fact, but my personal results show this to be accurate.
For what it’s worth; I live in So. Cal. So the nighttime lows this past Winter hit the 55 degree mark only a handful of times and never for more than a few days here and there. Average daytime highs really vary… some day were very warm and others were what we consider cool – mid to low 60’s.
All of my eggs are hatching now and so far I’ve had the same hatch rate as I have in the past - 85-90%.

A couple of keepers here have posted results of their “choices” trials and I wanted to give up my results. From this point forward, I’ll be doing this every year.

Thanks for reading and I hope it helps some.

Byron.d

Replies (6)

reako45 Aug 12, 2010 11:35 PM

Great info. What sort of set up do you have for Pits? Kings? Rats? Different for each or all the same? Bummed I missed you @ the show. Hope to see you @ Anaheim.

reako45

byron.d Aug 13, 2010 11:18 AM

You will without a doubt see me at Anaheim bro. I didnt even make it to Pomona last weekend - hope I didnt miss out.

I use the same rack and tub size for all my adult breeders. the pits are on top so they stay about two degrees warmer than the snakes near the bottom. My Median temp was set to 88 - mid rack.
I keep my kings on the bottom and my rats about the middle.

I'll get some photos tonight so you can see how the tubs stick out providing a really good temp range within the tub.

See you in a month, man.

byron.d

RossCA Aug 13, 2010 02:34 AM

I actually tried this last year on a female king I wanted to put more weight on to breed this year. The only difference is I turned off the heat for a month. It still worked. Personally I find it a chore to feed and clean all the time. I like the idea of a three month break. I still like spending time with the snakes though. During winter I still go in the snake room, look at them, handle them sometimes, and change their water all the time. If you don't mind the feeding and cleaning I don't blame you for wanting to use this method for now on. Your snakes will continue to grow and probably reach a larger size faster. BTW, loved your set up. You have some very nice Pits.
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byron.d Aug 13, 2010 11:33 AM

The cleaning and feeding are a chore - for sure, and I would love to do that less often but at the end of the day it's worth it for me I guess.

Thanks for compliment on the pits. I really am happy with the collection I have.

byron.d

john dhont Aug 13, 2010 07:42 AM

Very interesting topic but I don't know what realy gives the best results.
This year I bred bullsnakes for the first time (I've bred 15 other different species of snakes before, so I'm not a novice in breeding).
I kept my bullsnakes in the basement for 3 months.
The winter has been very cold at some moments and the temperature has dropped to 43°F for a few weeks and has been between 43°F en 53°F most of the time.
I was affraid that 43°F would be too cold for them, but no problem at all.
The female gave me a clutch of 13 eggs that hatched all 13.
Because I saw this as a huge effort for her I did not introduce her to the male after that first clutch.
But she decided to give me a second clutch of 4 eggs and also 10 slugs.
I think that if I introduced her again to the male there would have been more fertile eggs.
The 4 eggs of the second clutch are hatching right now and I will have another 4 babies.
So 17 babies out of 17 eggs, hatchrite of 100%
So, what is the best?
Who will say? Me I don't know but I prefer to cool them.

byron.d Aug 13, 2010 11:37 AM

Because I live in So. Cal. cooling is a major task for me. I really dont think that I would get larger more viable clutches from my bulls if I could more accurately replicate their natural cycle and give them a good cooling period. I'm happy what I did get and will try other things - mostly on the pits to see if get better results in the future.

Thanks very much for your input - I do think cooling bulls is better in the long run.

byron.

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