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Although these are pre shed pics i was excited and wanted to share the first ever triple het Peanut butter x Hypo x Axanthic and not just a PB x axanthic homozygot.

It is a female and she is staying with me.

Lousy pics I know. Direct sunshine, pre shed, there might even be some poop in there. But at least you get to see the whole clutch which consists of Peanut butters, Hypos, axanthics, normals, PB Ghosts, and the triple homo.

No name for this one yet. I thought the name PB Ghost would be fine but too many peoiple will confuse that with a Peanut butter x axanthic. Since the Hypo and axanthic make up a Ghost and so does the Hypo and Anery 9refferred to as anery Ghost. What name should we give a new triple homozygot.

I like casper but that has been taken for a different morph in teh calif kings. Then there is Alabaster but that sounds too much like Albescent, which is the other newest recently named morph.

PB x Axanthic X Hypo

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"lilac","pastel", or "pastel lilac" would seem very fitting for that one!

Looks very cool!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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"lilac","pastel", or "pastel lilac" would seem very fitting for that one!

Pastel sounds cool.
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Yeah, I would roll with that!. The term "pastel" fits what I see there PERFECTLY!!......simple discriptive name, with absolutely zero confusion involved!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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>>Yeah, I would roll with that!. The term "pastel" fits what I see there PERFECTLY!!......simple discriptive name, with absolutely zero confusion involved!

Pastel King equals Amel Thayeri Hybrid from Ruthveni blood....
Please do not use Pastel.....Please.....
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John Lassiter
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Nobody in their right mind could confuse that light lilac colored brooks for a stinkin loud pink hybrid from PB stuff..LOL!

The term "pastel" is describing, not insinuating it has anything to do with the other nonsense.

Just my opinion on it.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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>>Nobody in their right mind could confuse that light lilac colored brooks for a stinkin loud pink hybrid from PB stuff..LOL!
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>>The term "pastel" is describing, not insinuating it has anything to do with the other nonsense.
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>>Just my opinion on it.

Yeah, but someone is going to say....I got a pastel....
Is it a pastel corn, pastel bp, pastel hybrid thayeri or a pastel Floridana???????
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John Lassiter
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Yeah, but someone is going to say....I got a pastel....
Is it a pastel corn, pastel bp, pastel hybrid thayeri or a pastel Floridana???????

..an what is the Pastel made up of in Hognoses. There is a pastel hognose to.

but I think the term pastel is fitting to describe this coloration.

new names in Fl Kings:

Albsecent
Pewter

..pastel would fit in rather nicely.....but i dunno what to do yet. What do you all think of the pastel in Hognoses?
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I don't know anything about the pastel Hognoses.......
What I can say is there is already a Pastel kingsnake....
I know it looks different and isn't a mix of all the genetic morphs you described but rather an amel hybrid......

You might as well call it an Imperial Floridana.......
Or a Candy Colored Clown Floridana......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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"but I think the term pastel is fitting to describe this coloration"

Yeah, it doesn't have to have the same genetic components that any other types of snakes on the market have whatsoever, just named for the descriptive coloration alone!

Nevermind the Balls, Hognose, corns, or whatever. When your freakin label says "pastel floridana" on it, or they see a photo of it somewhere and some shlep asks if it is any of those other types of snakes, just say....."does it look like a freakin Ball Python or Hognose to YOU??,.........now get away from my table with the nonsense!..LOL!!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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BTW....It is cool looking.....
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John Lassiter
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Don't worry about it Rainer, I will hold that snake back for you. lol Very nice.
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I dislike the pastel name as well but for different reasons, I have seen line bred ghosts marketed as pastels with many species including Florida kings. If you wanted to stick close to using ghost there are lots of synonyms; banshee (because face it she's a screamer), daemon, manes, phantasm , phantom , poltergeist, revenant , shade , shadow , specter (or spectre) , spook, vampire , vision , wraith , zombie. Just to name a few.

>>I dislike the pastel name as well but for different reasons, I have seen line bred ghosts marketed as pastels with many species including Florida kings. If you wanted to stick close to using ghost there are lots of synonyms; banshee (because face it she's a screamer), daemon, manes, phantasm , phantom , poltergeist, revenant , shade , shadow , specter (or spectre) , spook, vampire , vision , wraith , zombie. Just to name a few.

I like Banshee....
Or Phantom or Fantasma......
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John Lassiter
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I like Banshee....
Or Phantom or Fantasma......

There already is a Phantom brooks. It is a Peanut butter x Anery brooks homozygot.

Banshee sounded a little to Bayou swampland to me until i looked it up in the dictionary. Then i realized the banshee is common in most of our collections at home.

A Banshee is a female whos sole aim is to crush the spirit of all men. Collectively and constantly seeking to cause pain and trouble for any man they get their claws into. The higher ranked Banshees are known as Minx's.
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Wraith is pretty sweet tooooooo! Still like banshee!

now THOSE are some GREAT suggestions, I like specter, cause I'm spectatin' the spectacle of it!
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Todd Hughes

the "Phil Specter" mutant!

definitely screwed-up genetics THERE too!

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

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wow very very very cool rainer big congrats pewter is PBXaxanth huh? it sure does look like a pewter wow! maybe hypo pewter i dunno im sure you will pick something gay like pastel or lilac or something again
B I G C O N G R A T S A M I G O
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Morphs... just like baseball cards BUT ALIVE, how cool is that???

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Thomas,

the Pewter is a Jelly x Axanthic. A Peanut Butter x Axanthic would be a Peanut butter ghost.
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Rainer
It's exciting seeing all these new morphs you are making this year. I can't wait until all the cool Brooksi I got from you last year are up to size, so I can make some cool babies. They are well on there way.

What about Frosted Peanut Butter or Peanut Butter Frost?

Matt Ozsvath
Lizards of Oz
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>>Rainer
>>It's exciting seeing all these new morphs you are making this year. I can't wait until all the cool Brooksi I got from you last year are up to size, so I can make some cool babies. They are well on there way.
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>>What about Frosted Peanut Butter or Peanut Butter Frost?

Frosti Brooksi......LOL
Frosti Floridana....
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
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PICK BANSHEE!!!! That is the SICKEST name ever!!!

>>PICK BANSHEE!!!! That is the SICKEST name ever!!!

I agree....
A SCREAMING GHOST.......
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John Lassiter
Poor planning and procrastination on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part...
www.coastalbendcaptivebreeding.com

and the price is gonna suck the life outta you guys, unless bought by women, lol! Nice job Rainer, you da floridana man!
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Todd Hughes

To identify it's Peanut Butter origins, I like sticking to a food type name. Vanilla is probably as white as a peanut Butter can get, and this is basically a two way ghost. A vanilla ghost.

To identify it's Peanut Butter origins, I like sticking to a food type name. Vanilla is probably as white as a peanut Butter can get, and this is basically a two way ghost. A vanilla ghost.

Or how about "White Peanut Butter". That is sorta sticking to a food group like White chocolate.
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n/p
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Surrender Dorothy!

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>>n/p
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>>Surrender Dorothy!
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Lose all thats left of your dignity there Rainer! Who doesnt want a FLUFFY SNAKE??

Could start a trend that the media would pick up on....Then maybe give snakes a break if they think they're all warm and fuzzy, huh?
No more mob mentality legislation??
Why not?
:Mark
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Could start a trend that the media would pick up on....Then maybe give snakes a break if they think they're all warm and fuzzy, huh?
No more mob mentality legislation??
Why not?
:Mark

Either that or I could go the other direction and call them "Invasive Kings".
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well you'd sure as hell get some press....but I don't think it's the kind of press we really need....
you comin' to Daytona or not?
:Mark
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Surrender Dorothy!

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you comin' to Daytona or not?

i don't know yet. I can't decide.
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>>you comin' to Daytona or not?
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>>i don't know yet. I can't decide.

You better go....Deborah is going to get mad if you don't....LOL
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John Lassiter
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well you'd sure as hell get some press....but I don't think it's the kind of press we really need....
you comin' to Daytona or not?

Well it's either that or the Crimson King morph. I don't know which could be worse for the hobby?

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>>Lose all thats left of your dignity there Rainer! Who doesnt want a FLUFFY SNAKE??

That is the name I use for any snake I do TV with. Fluffy, Spot or Rover. I number my rescue animals and unless they come with a name, they leave with a number. Press and public like names.
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First, a disclaimer: I went along with the naming practices of the time, and called the first double-homozygous amelanistic and anerythristic honduran a "snow", since snow is what we already called corn snakes of that same double-homozygous phenotype and genotype.

But that was a long time ago, and things have gotten a lot more complicated, both with the increasing number of corns and kings as well. The "peanut butter" and "marmalade" (is that a real one?) and other "names" for phenotypes frequently confuse me and no doubt do to others, and can end up creating an almost secret code for king hobbyists, with learning the multitude of names a sort of test for entry. I'm not sure that is as useful for us as descriptive terms that refer to genotypes and thus are more accessible. Plus, the latter methodology seems to reflect better on the seriousness of our interests.

So I'd ask, what's wrong with called the snake a "triple homozygous x, y and z" with x, y and z being the genotypes in question?

How about OLEO Floridana......
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John Lassiter
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I agree with your take on the whole naiming thing terry.

The peanut butter is a unique name because it deserves it. It stands alone in what it can do and how it acts. no other kingsnake reccessive trait acts like it.

The peanut butter shares a locus on a single allele with the T negative. When you breed a PB to a t neg albino you get all Jellies. When you breed Jelly to Jelly you get all three traits (Jelly-PB-Tneg)but they don't act like a triple het reccessive..

The Peanut Butter is very hard to wrap ones mind around on how it works. It does not act like a typical recessive trait. .

For instance:

breed a PB to T neg = all jellies
bred a PB to Jelly = PB and jellies
breed a Jelly to Jelly = You get all three (PB-T neg -Jelly)
breed a Jelly to T neg =Jellies and t negs
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i can follow the results you report, but my mind's still reeling with my (unsuccessful) effort to understand how that works with on the genetic level, where and how those genes are fitting in and interacting. if you make it to expo maybe we can explore the subject. others: if you hear an explosion at the show, it might have been my head...

Because Hypomelanistic Axanthic Peanut Butter is hard to fit on a deli cup.

>>Because Hypomelanistic Axanthic Peanut Butter is hard to fit on a deli cup.

true that! someone would corner the market on 12" deli cups that had enough space to fit that on.