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... A continuation of my post below on the Patternless annectans...

I had two clutches of eggs hatch from double het patternless albino x double het patternless albino breedings. Their grandfather is "Sancho" the founder of the line, and their grandmothers are albino Applegates...

By my math, I had roughly a 1/4 chance of producing an albino possible het patternless, a 1/4 chance of producing a patternless possible het albino, and a 1/16 chance of getting a patternless albino.

Here's the first clutch:

That's two patternless possible het albinos, two albino possible het patternless, and one patternless albino!! There's certainly some variability in the patternless babies... OIt may be time to call the trait something else. Any suggestions? My only restraint is that I don't want to call them striped, as I think they should be distinguished from other striped annectans out there... Here's a close up of the patternless albino:

Then the second clutch came along...

That's TWO patternless albinos, one albino possible het patternless, and two possible double hets!! The albino from this clutch seem to be very different looking. They are much more yellow with purplish undertones than the albinos from the other clutch... Close up...

Now I just have to decide which ones to hold back!

Congrats John! We talked about it on the phone last night (night for me, afternoon for you, lol) but now that I see them I'm realy impressed.
They look even better than what I could expect.
The animals of the second clutch look more patternless than the ones in the first clutch, who look more striped.
But as you say, they are looking different than other striped animals.
Whatever, all of them are terribly nice looking.
Maybe I need to be nice to my wife and ask for a late birthday gift.

Yeah Baby! Congrats bro!

That's great to see those results. Every one of those snakes are good looking from normals/hets to the Albino Patternless. I think the pale albino is killer. Such variety in those Albinos. The near Patternless are really cool too. I wonder if your Patternless would be combatable with the Limburg Stripers?

Cool stuff John.

Jason

That's actually a question I was just asking myself.

Do you or anyone else reading this have an adult female striper to test it on next year?
Breeding loan?

Congratulations!
After a stellar beginning to a similar project the holdback striped albino male has failed 2 years in a row. Really bums me out... but such is the life of a breeder.
Those are extremly cool, good luck with them
Tom Stevens
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First Up Massive congats John,it nice to see someone else have all their hardwork pay off.

Very nice pay off indeed too, great odds mix overall imo.

without doubt Inspiring

Just One exiciting part for me is that some of those albinos are kinda familiar and make sense for me on many levels.
Least of all the many seasons of keeping back 'new looking' phenotypes.

I'm notably struck by that ' muted/washed out' looking albino just for a start! very interesting subject.

As for albino head colours ,yellows and/or orange well i guess thats a whole different subject. lol

AL

Awesome! Those 2 Patternless albinos look incredible! The ones from the first clutch look more vanishing pattern albinos. Great to see allof your persistence and hard work pay off! Congrats! If you still have my # give me a call?

reako45

Just a thought

np.

You are the man! The top clutch does look to have some striped morphs (normal in the middle) but the patternless albinos from bottom clutch seem to be true patternless. IMO Sancho's mutation seems to fade, vanish and and lighten up other morphs & traits while also producing the full blown patternless morph. Looks like a blast to work with CONGRATS!

That's one awesome project you've got going on there. Damn!!!
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Thats awesome.
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If I were to hold any back it would be the two orange ones with hardly any pattern. But they are all beautiful; maybe you should hold back the entire lot, at least until you have more fully explored the genetics of this strain. even the normal looking ones could be carrying some surprise genes.

Hey I am looking for a female albino applegate do you know of any?
Thanks
Vic

Congrats, great to see the amazing results and really clean nice pictures too. The patternless albinos just blow me away. Glad your genetic odds turned out in your favor. I got lucky last year with genetic odds on my Snow Suboc project but not so lucky this year with my bull snakes (fingers crossed my Rusty Sonoran clutch still produces something cool though.)

Congrats again, hard decisions on which ones to let go of now!

Gregg

>>... A continuation of my post below on the Patternless annectans...
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>>I had two clutches of eggs hatch from double het patternless albino x double het patternless albino breedings. Their grandfather is "Sancho" the founder of the line, and their grandmothers are albino Applegates...
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>>By my math, I had roughly a 1/4 chance of producing an albino possible het patternless, a 1/4 chance of producing a patternless possible het albino, and a 1/16 chance of getting a patternless albino.
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>>Here's the first clutch:
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>>That's two patternless possible het albinos, two albino possible het patternless, and one patternless albino!! There's certainly some variability in the patternless babies... OIt may be time to call the trait something else. Any suggestions? My only restraint is that I don't want to call them striped, as I think they should be distinguished from other striped annectans out there... Here's a close up of the patternless albino:
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>>Then the second clutch came along...
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>>That's TWO patternless albinos, one albino possible het patternless, and two possible double hets!! The albino from this clutch seem to be very different looking. They are much more yellow with purplish undertones than the albinos from the other clutch... Close up...
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>>Now I just have to decide which ones to hold back!
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Congrats John!