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Unfortunately I am very busy right now and can therefore not enjoy the threads thoroughly.

Animated from my friend Scotty I did a once-over research regarding the victims of Saddam.

As a matter of fact there are neither solid numbers as to the victims that Saddam has caused nor as to the number of innocent victims of the second war on Iraq.

Scotty may be right that the victims of Saddam are much more, but guess what:

The majority of these cruel acts of Saddam happened more than 10 YEARS AGO!!! So it took you a pretty long time to make up your mind to rescue the poor citizens in Iraq.

So I can't hardly recognize a relation between the war and the rescue of the poor people. This excuse would have been valid 10 years ago, but then there was a decision to stop on the border and get back.

But I am sure you will also find an excuse for this.
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Beware of Commies and Mutts!

I find it funny that you guys always get too busy to post when you are challenged by questions that you can't answer, lol. In any case, why did you leave out the 1998 massacre of an estimated 5,000 Iraqi civilians as a result of mustard gas and nerve toxins? Entire families were wiped out and the streets were littered with the corpses of men, women and children. This information should make it incredibly easy to answer my question regarding the lesser of two evils. So, which will it be? Number one or number two?

Neither Comrade Stroeckl or Comrade Sobek are equipped with the backbone to answer simple questions. They prefer to muddy the water with their anti-American BS. Stroeckl & Sobek sitting in a tree.......................................... bye bye girls!

Snake Feller

Both Are wrong. I said it again..

Stop acting like you give a $hit about thoes people that died in Iraq in 98, You did not care untill you were told to care. We could have stoped all thoes people you so fakely care about from dieing. IF BUSH SR. WOULD HAVE DONE HIS JOB!! HE HAD A CHANCE, HE HAD THE POWER!! JUST LIKE YOU HE DID NOT CARE. He only got into it when Saddam was moveing in on KUWAIT! TO PROTECT ARE OIL OVER THERE!! The gas he used to gas thoes people. Guess where he got it from? and it aint Osama..

Number one or number two?

well then allow me to chime in on this one, being a vetran of the first Gulf War...

Bush SR, did not have any intentions of ousting the dictator like his son did. the only intensions he had were keeping the lovely people of Kuwait (little america)free, and he did. if it was intention from the get go to oust the evil man, i believe he would have done it already. from the get go of this war it has been about regime change, but yet i have not heard that come out of anyones mouth here. all you spill out is WMDs. Look on the brighter side of life guys. you are sitting comfortably n your homes arguing and i am in Iraq....and i wouldnt trade it for the world, this is my life and my dreams right here, the military. just like herman is stubborn and will not lean on his beliefs and snake fellar is an asshole, mean that with the highest of regard, we are all just meant to do something well keep onj arguing cause i like reading it.

froggy
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

First I'd like to thank you for putting your life on the line, and I hope you return to your family safe and sound.

My 1st question is. Why did Bush sr. not take care of him "Saddam" the 1st time? Would that not have been the right thing to do? Why did it take so many years of the rape, murder, etc. etc. for us "the U.S." to want him out of power?

My 2nd question is. In your opinion did we not go to war with Iraq the 1st time to protect are oil intrest in Kuwait?

My last question is. Do you not think that there are other "More threating" countries that we should be invadeing?

If you wish you can email me your reply. Some on this forum are not matture enough to ingauge in a open disscusion, and turn the post into flam war... Take care, SoBeK

How about answering some questions before asking any? And for the love of God, please get a friggin' spell check!

Its:

1) interest, not intrest
2) threatening, not threating
3) invading, not invadeing
4) mature, not matture
5) engage, not ingauge
6) discussion, not disscusion
7) flame, not flam

I can understand a mistake now and then, but your grammar is atrocious! I suspect that you are either not really from this country, or perhaps you reside in California. Is that you Fred?

Fred???

First I'd like to thank you for putting your life on the line, and I hope you return to your family safe and sound.

You are welcome.

My 1st question is. Why did Bush sr. not take care of him "Saddam" the 1st time? Would that not have been the right thing to do? Why did it take so many years of the rape, murder, etc. etc. for us "the U.S." to want him out of power?

I can not answer that question, as i was not and am not the president and i am not privy to the information they are. in my opinion it might have been the right thing to do, but at the time we were more worried abnout saddam taking over the whole middle east and not just iraq. my opinion

My 2nd question is. In your opinion did we not go to war with Iraq the 1st time to protect are oil intrest in Kuwait?

no we didnt, although there will always be people who believe so. refer to asnwer one.

My last question is. Do you not think that there are other "More threating" countries that we should be invadeing?

of course there are more threatning countries, but those countries have not exhausted 12 years of un sanctions and diplomacies to make us want to engage with them. everyone gets there equal share of diplomacy. to go off and fight korea beacuase they have WMD/nuclear capabilities is dumb because 1. they have not used them on there own people let alone anyone else, and 2. we always give them a chance to redeem themselves.

well i hope this answers your questions

froggy
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

Slightly off topic(I answered your question below) but did you by chance see the gallup poll of the citizens of Baghdad. Two thirds said that they are glad that Sadam is gone. Roughly the same number said that things now are worse than they were under Sadam but that they believe that in 5 years time things will be much better. What do you make of that? Let me know

it means that progress takes time. Rome was not built in a day, I say give it about 50 years and see if this place isnt a tourist hot spot....lol.
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

It doesn't take a genius to realize that growing pains are necessary and expected. What's your point in stating the obvious?

Snake Feller

I don't put much stock in "polls". I think they are biassed and manipulated by the poll takers, depending on their agenda. How many people contributed to this poll? How many of those people had relatives or loved ones who were victimized by Saddam? WHO took the poll? In what way are things worse according to those participants of the poll? What is worse than the horrific way Saddam and his sons terrorized those people? If you know of something that is "worse off" than being tortured, raped, gassed, execute, or better yet, watching those things happen to someone you love and being allowed to live, then please let us all know what is worse!

Just wondering if you were going to take a stab at these questions regarding your post about this poll. Any thoughts?

I know your stance on Saddam and know that unlike the other dingbats here, you probably agree that there is nothing worse than the atrocities performed by Saddam. I just want to know your feelings regarding my questions about the poll. Bet you were all ready to bark at me before reading this post, lol. Perhaps the dingbats will take a stab at the question regarding what is worse. DOUBT IT, LOL!

i believe you are taking my posts in the worng regard.

herman is not my buddy i dont know him from adam. kind of like you. i am simply stating that the way you are all arguing is not going to change ones beliefs. i dont believe that herman, sobel, kanuck, or any "anti-americans" as you call them want to see anyone dead, including me.

snake fellar you have some really strong convictions and i applaud you for that, but i think you are reading a little too much into some of these posts. granted you are cracking me up with your replies, and i am on your side with the beliefs you have. i also believe that no one here knows whats going on in the mind of the leaders of the world. we do not even get a calcualted fraction of the intel that they get. even over here i get told stuff that i can not tell anyone including my wife.

well anyways i know the evidence that backs my statements, and they do not come from media hype.

froggy

p.s. snake fellar we need to go get drunk together one night cause you rock dude
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The next time the shuttle lands, lets all get dressed up in ape suits and charge at the astronaughts yelling and ranting. That way they can try to figure out where they took a wrong turn.

Good post!

Snake Feller