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Hi I was wondering what these morphs were

1. Skeletor line

2. Pastel

3. Quad hets ( what are they het for?)

Pictures would be helpful

Many thanks

Mert

Not sure on the Skeletor line...it sounds vaguely familiar...though it may be simply due to the fact I remember Skeletor from the He-Man cartoons I watched a long time ago.

Quad hets is not a morph at all. An animal is a quad het if they carry 4 different recessive traits. The traits can be any recessive morph bearded dragons have. (as I don't remember all the recessive hets, I will use a snake sample. You can get corn snakes who are het for albino, anery, piebald, and stripe (pattern morph)).

The only way to know what 'hets' the dragon has is to talk with the breeder. Also keep in mind, since recessive traits don't have visual markers (or very rarely do), unless one of the parents is a vusual representative of a particular recessive morph, often the offspring are only possible hets till they are proven out via breeding. (If two double visual morphs are bred, the offspring will have a combination of the hets of those same morphs...so seeing the parents can also be a safe indication on whether the offspring carrying the recessive traits).

Pastel is a pale morph, typically very little dark pigment on the animal in question. I think they are also called hypo's (hypomelanism).
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PHLdyPayne

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This is a pic of one of my recessive leather hypotrans that I produced this year. Recessive leathers only have a smooth torso, and the larger scales that run along the spine. The rest of the body has regular spiney scales. These when bred to a codominant italian or american leather, will make quad hets, which are: codominant leather(visual het for silkback), het transluscent, het hypo, and het recessive leatherback. Quad hets bred to anything het recessive leather will make what I call a "micro" leather. Micro leathers have a very, very smooth torso, and the rest of the body has regular codominant leather sclaes. I will post some examples.
Thanks, Josh

This is another recessive leather female that I'm holding back as a breeder. She(and the previous female)was produced from hets. Both parents have no codominant genes in them. I also produce recessive leather hypos, normals, and regular transluscents.
Josh

Josh

There was a question a little while ago about telling the difference between the babies when all these genetics are combined. When using the codominant italian leather line, it is very easy to distingush between all the morphs. Recessive leathers look like the dragons posted above, italian leathers are uniformly smooth, micro leathers have a very, very smooth torso w/ reguar leather scales on the rest of the body.

When using the codominant american leather line, it is extremely difficult to tell the difference between the american and recessive leathers. American leathers are too variable. Italian leather are either smooth or not. I did some breedings this year to make micro american leathers, but it will probably be the last. It's just too hard to tell the difference between everything.
Josh

Josh

So if I breed a hypo trans leather with a recessive leatherback would that still make it a quad het??

Yes...but only the codominant leathers out of the clutch will be quad hets.
Josh

These females are gorgeous! What is the price range on the Skeletors? Thanks.

Thank you.

It's hard to say as far as price. Recessive leathers by themselves are much less desired compared to the codominant leathers. On the other side, in conjunction with the codominant leathers, the end result is a truly unique dragon. Once i get some babies up to size, i will start selling them.

The origional skeletor dragon that I produced 5 years ago was used to make double hets to be combined to other double hets. He bred 3 different females his first year. It was up until a couple years ago that myself and others were producing recessive leathers from dragons that were descendants from him. To make a long story short, there is a lot of his genetics floating around, especially with the transluscents.

Josh

Sorry, the pic is a bit dark.
Josh

This female is from a different cross.
Josh

YW. Good to know. I'm looking forward to your website when it is up and running. You produce some amazing beardies, it would be cool to see more pics of them. It seems like some morph is always coming out. Glad to see your contributions to the hobby, cheers.

Dragons are changing very quickly. There is a few new mutations on the horizon. Thanks again for the complements.
Josh

if I breed a 100% 2x het hypo trans italian leatherback to a hypotransleather whats the genetics prediction of that cross?
Thanks

As far as I'm aware you should get 25% normal (66% het hypo trans) 25% trans het hypo 25% hypo het trans and 25% hypo trans and out of all of that lot 50% should come out leatherbacks and 50% normal but out of all the 25%'s god knows which ones will come out leatherbacks and which ones don't if I'm wrong someone please correct me and let me know

Cheers

Hard to say exactly what you will get. When you make combinations like that with multiple genetics, it becomes a roll of the dice.

leather double het x leather hypotransluscent, can possibly produce:
normal dragons, normal scaled(double het)
italian leatherbacks(double het)
transluscents(het hypo)
hypos(het transluscent)
silkbacks(double het)
leatherback hypos(het transluscent)
leatherback transluscents(het hypo)
leatherback hypotransluscents
silkback transluscent(het hypo)
silkback hypo(het transluscent)
silkback hypotransluscent
hypotransluscents(normal scaled)
hypotransluscent leatherbacks

This is the reason why some of the multiple combo morphs (silkback hypotransluscents for example)are sold at such a high price. You can produce 3-4 the first time, none at all, or after a few clutches one finally popps out. Making combos like this is fun. You never know what you are going to get.

Thanks, Josh

josh,is this right? there is a codom italian leather,a codom american leather, and a ressive american leather? where is the term smoothie fall in here?

American leather and american smoothie are the same thing. Anna(AC reptiles) sold me her dragons as leathers so I just grouped the two together.
Josh