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bearded dragon setup

july08_2003 Aug 25, 2010 09:53 PM

Hello everyone! I'm Jay and new here to kingsnake.com, I am making the jump from bearded dragon admirer to bearded dragon hobbiest and maybe one day breeder. Now i know everyone has their own way of doing thing but want to know if what i know is, well i guess adequate and right to be able to properly care for a bearded dragon. okay so now i'm going to tell you how i have my setup ready for my dragon that will be arriving tomorrow. please feel free to coment on anything that you would do diffrent.

I have a 4ftX2ftX15inch melanine tank,that has 2 uvb strips holding 10.0 reptisun uvb bulbs, and 1 incadescent bulb. plan on having basking side at or around 105, cool side around 80. dusting crickets the size of the space between his eyes with reptical phospherous free with d3 5 times a week, once a day, and once a week, once a day with herpivite. weather permiting i will be taking him out to catch some sun 3 x a week for 1/2 an hour to an hour. spray him with room temp water twice a day, bathe him in warm water once a week. substrate will be paper towels. will give him turnip, mustard, and collard greens in morning with occasional buttersquash or shredded carrot. am i forgeting anything? would you do anything diffrent? thanks in advance and sorry for the letter.

Jay

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PHLdyPayne Aug 25, 2010 11:17 PM

What age of dragon are you getting? For an adult the cage setup should be fine...though be careful with the bulbs (15" really isn't that high, normally I wouldn't recommend a cage less than 18" to ensure dragon's don't get too close to the fixtures. IF the fixtures are outside of the cage, its not as much a concern.

Also, the cool end should be lower, 75F is better. Though others will feel 105F for a basking temperature is fine (surface temp) I personally think having it closer to 115F is better, with a wide sloping basking spot, which gives a range of temperature the dragon can chose from, with a peak at the top of the basking spot, closest to the heat lamp, being around 115-120F. However 105 is adequate for an adult.

If you are getting a juvenile (anywhere between 6 weeks to 6 months of age, or basically under 14" I recommend a smaller cage, like a 20 or 30 gallon 'long'. Very young dragons tend to get intimidated by a large cage...and it does make it harder for them to find food, unless you intend to feed crickets in a dish.

Also, if you are not getting an adult, your supplement plan is too much. Adults are fine with dustings of calcium powder and D3 a couple times a month. Egg laying females I would dust two to three times a week with calcium powder, and once a week with the multivitamin. For really young babies, the regiment you outlined is fine. However, babies should also be fed gut loaded crickets of the appropriate size, 2-4 times a day all they will eat in a 5-10 min sitting. A finely chopped mixed salad can be left for them all day, sitting in a bit of water to keep the greens fresh.

I personally have never been a big fan of weekly baths...I find not all dragons like it (mine certainly never did, nor does she ever drink in a soak). Its better to give water with an eye dropper, or luke warm mistings several times a day for babies. Adults get more than enough moisture from fresh greens if they are eating it daily.
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july08_2003 Aug 26, 2010 01:26 AM

Thanks PHLdyPayne! I actually will be getting a Juvie around 8 inches. I thought he would be okay in the bigger cage at this size, but do have a 20 gallon long to start off if its too big for him. Will make sure to lower temp on cool side and raise temp on hot side. So for a dragon this size, how man times do you recommend l dust with reptical with d3 and herpivite? i have a medicine dropper to give him water. and plan on gutloading crickets with greens i will be feeding the dragons plus some dragon pellet food. Thanks again.

BDlvr Aug 26, 2010 12:42 PM

I would dust with calcium w/D3 each live meal except one a week which I would dust with the nultivitamin.

If it works out to have a 115 basking spot that's OK but the dragon really will not use that high a basking temp. if the high side ambient is about 90 as it should be. 110ish will be more than enough.

I also think it is an old wives tail that small dragons are intimidated by large enclosures. I've put 6" babies in 4 x 2 enclosures many times without issues. in the wild the world is a very big place.

kmartin311 Aug 26, 2010 08:09 AM

LdyPayne is spot on pointing out the cage height. I wouldn't use more than a 35 watt halogen flood in that set-up.

july08_2003 Aug 26, 2010 10:25 AM

Okay so i received the dragon today, but he was way smaller than expected! He can't be more than 4 or 5 inches, a baby! So definitely will be going with 20 gallon long tank. On a baby this size how many times should i dust crickets with reptical with d3 and herpivite? take him out to get sun how many times a week ? Anything else i should do different? he is a male hypo snow leatherback. his parents were a polar hypo pastel italian leatherback het for trans produced by Josh D. x a marketed leucistic. pics as soon as i get him settled in. Thanks .
Jay

BDlvr Aug 26, 2010 12:45 PM

Be careful if you bring him outside. Aquariums, boxes, etc. can overheat very quickly. A screen cage with sun and shade to retreat to would be ideal. Also make sure he/she is protected for any predatory birds and fireflies.

PHLdyPayne Aug 26, 2010 01:08 PM

I know BDLvr commented he didn't feel cage size really played any role in how baby dragons fair. I just find some baby dragons can feel rather 'lost' in a large tank, or intimidated, not really due to cage size but due to too much open space. I believe most baby dragons in the wild stick to areas with alot of cover, maybe even go into trees. I don't know for sure...but other mostly terrestrial lizards when adults have young that tend to take to the trees till they are old enough or more accurately, big enough to escape predators on the ground.

Another thought is its a bit easier to monitor baby dragons in a smaller cage, than a big one...and crickets have a less chance of vanishing under the substrate or cage furniture before a baby can get over to eat them, in a smaller cage.

The 20 gallon will be ok for your baby for a few months, depending on its growth rate (I would move her into the adult cage when it reaches 12-14" in length). As its a very small baby, dusting with calcium once a day should be fine...though you can dust every insect feeding, and a multivitamin once a day...but I find once a day each is more than enough. it really depends on how much your baby eats.

Feed her at least 2 times a day though 2-4 times would be better for the first couple months, then twice a day after that till its about 8 months old, with insects should be fine. After 8 months, one insect feeding should do till its about 14 months old. At that point just feed salads with a couple insects per day. Its best to always offer salads, even if the baby doesn't show any interest. Sometimes just dropping a few crickets right on top of the salad, will get htem eating greens right along with the crickets. For babies, chop the greens very fine...easier for them to eat, more likely some will stick to the cricket or the dragon's tongue while he tries to eat the cricket.

Having greens in the cage all day and over night will also give any stray crickets that may have gone into hiding before they can be eaten, or you could take them out, something to eat. Leaving crickets in over night isn't good, as they do have a tendency to bite baby dragons while they sleep.

To gut load the crickets, using the same greens you feed your dragons is great. However they need a protein source as well, so rushed/soaked dragon pellets work for that, or crushed low fat cat/dog food, tropical fish flakes, skim milk powder mixed with various grains (ie rolled oats, wheatbran etc) (though not much of the 'cereals' or powdered milk). You can buy brand name gut loads for crickets, or use a recipe online...(just google cricket gutload, or homemade cricket food). Chicken mash also works, if you can get access to it.

Personally I just use crushed rodent lab blocks (usually I soak small pieces in a bit of water, then mash them), dragon pellets (or juvenile iguana pellets), fish flakes and fresh greens for my crickets, when I have any. I used to use a recipe I found online but the website it was linked to is gone, and I haven't used it in about 8 years or so...not since my first bearded dragon was a baby.

As your dragon is pretty young, I suggest not bringing it outside for natural light. This can add alot of stress to it, and being so young and it has already gone through the stress of shipping (or being moved from the breeder to your place) you don't want to stress it out more. Wait till its had about a month in your care and is eating fine etc. Then you can try to take him out for about 10-15 minutes a day, supervised. They don't really need alot of time in the sun to get all the UVB they need...and since you will already be giving calcium with D3, you don't realy need much sun exposure.

If your dragon seems to get really stressed...or stops eating if you take them out (ie won't eat the rest of the day and the day after) cut out the outside trips. Try again in a month. The important thing is to get it eating regularly. You have two UVB 10 bulbs, it will get enough UVB from those bulbs, you can do without natural sunlight for the rest of the year. Next spring you can bring him outside more...but its really up to you and how your dragon responds to being outside.
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july08_2003 Aug 26, 2010 05:00 PM

Hey everyone, thanks for the tips. So for now i got him in the 20 gallon long tank, paper towels as subsrate, 40 watt incandesent household bulb, and 24 inch uvb strip. basking site 115 but under a wide sloping stone/hide that gives him the option to move around and find a temp he likes. cool side is 80 trying to get it a little lower. thanks for the help on dusting of the crickets. i am gutloading with greens and juvie dragon pellet food. this little guy is awesome, super smooth, ate some greens as soon as i moved them around in front of him from my hand! he hasnt run from me once and actually likes me petting him and holding him although im trying not to till he settles in, you know how hard it is to stay away from a new pet. Im trying to post pics of him and setup but dont know how. A little help?
JAY

PHLdyPayne Aug 27, 2010 02:30 AM

Easiest way to post pictures is to just upload them to the kingsnake.com photo gallery. It may be necessary to resize but most cameras come with some photo editing software. If not, you should be able to download an early version of photoshop from Adobe, or other software site (like CNet). I think photoshop 6 is the one available for free download.

You could also upload to photo hosting sites like photobucket or flickr then link the image to your post by coping the URL and placing image tags (img at the front of the URL and /img at the end. The img tags should also be inside square brackets, []. Check the 'Tools and Toys' link in the lower right of the message window for samples.)
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