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I'm sorry if this has been discussed before but I can't seem to locate much info on Pied sided corns.

I ran across "pied sided" hatchlings that are for sale. However they appear to only have clean sides(very little pattern)... no white visiable. I though that they had to have white to be considered pied sided. Am I correct?

The reason I ask is our female double clutched this year. Some of the hatchlings have clean sides and one or two appear pied sided.

Does anyone have a good link or info they wouldn't mind sharing on the subject?
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Balls
1.3 Pastels
0.2 Cinnamons
0.1 Pewter
1.0 Fire
1.0 Spider
1.0 100% Het Albino/100% Het Pied
0.3 100% Het Albino/50% Het Pied
1.1 100% Het Pied
0.2 PH Albino
1.5 Normals (1.0 unknown)
Boas
1.0 Salmon
0.1 Pastel Hypo
1.0 Pastel
0.1 Pastel P. Super Hypo Het Anery PH Albino
Corns
1.1 Bloodred Het Ghost
***& lots of babies!***

There are indeed "pied-sided bloodreds" out there , and it can vary from fairly mild to wild in any individual.

Here is a link to some.
pied-sided bloodreds

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

...I have to wonder if those other one's aren't simply "het" for pied-sided, because those definitely ain't pied-sided in my book, and the price also reflects that as well.

the homozygous(visual)pieds are VEEEERY expensive!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Not only expensive, but I believe I heard that the trait may be hit or miss. Breeding pieds may not guarantee you will get pieds, better pieds, or pieds as good as the parents in a litter if not mistaken. They are IMO arbitrarily classified as high or low pied expression by the amount of white on the sides, etc. It appears the "science" behind this morph is not set in stone or well understood. I may be wrong in my understanding, but thats what I am getting based on what I am picking up here and there.

Thanks guys!

That was my understanding also. I had found an awesome article or thread on it at one point months ago by a big breeder that was working with them... I just can't seem to remember where I saw it. & I definitely thought actual pied sideds were priced higher.

I'll try to get some pics up with weekend to confirm that I'm not just imaging white on one of my little girls lol. IMO Its good to have the odd ball genes that no one understands... keeps everyone interested and the market alive.

Thanks again!
Jennifer
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Balls
1.3 Pastels
0.2 Cinnamons
0.1 Pewter
1.0 Fire
1.0 Spider
1.0 100% Het Albino/100% Het Pied
0.3 100% Het Albino/50% Het Pied
1.1 100% Het Pied
0.2 PH Albino
1.5 Normals (1.0 unknown)
Boas
1.0 Salmon
0.1 Pastel Hypo
1.0 Pastel
0.1 Pastel P. Super Hypo Het Anery PH Albino
Corns
1.1 Bloodred Het Ghost
***& lots of babies!***

Yeah, Kevin is absolutely correct about them not all displaying drastic amounts of the trait on each specimen,and that the trait is not well understood. They can vary substantially with the pied expression.

Don Soderberg is probably the breeder you were thinking of that was working with them. They were a few thousand bucks when they first hit the scene.

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

I have recently begun to wonder if the pied trait is directly or at least highly linked to extreme diffusion. I don't think I've seen a true pied-sided to date that did not have incredible diffusion.

Yeah, I would also think it is probanly linked somehow with the diffusion gene because that is already a composite of the bloodreds right off the bat as you know.

But as to exactly how and what specifically causes it will likely never be known to us common folk. Maybe some geneticist lab tech in a white coat will know in the year 2075..LOL!

~Doug

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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

It's definitely linked to diffusion, but I'm wondering if it is actually a natural result of *extreme* diffusion. The pieds I've seen have been truly astounding in the quality of the diffusion present, going so far as to sometimes even distort the saddles in some areas, especially on the neck.