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This is darkly colored grey rat from Jackson Co. Alabama
surprisingly docile....I like it...lol

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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Obsoleta are such cool animals ...even the ugly ones are [bleep]en
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Cool little gray there Jimmy!

Did you capture that one yourself recently?

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

>>Cool little gray there Jimmy!
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>>Did you capture that one yourself recently?
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>> ~Doug
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>>"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"
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>>my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

hey Doug,
I have a friend in Alabama that does exterminating and pest removal.
He's a great friend to have..I got the grey rat from him, a nice little eastern black king (which I haven't got eating yet), a couple of Jackson Co. adult female corns, I will be getting 2.2. Jackson co. hatchling corns from him (actually already have the two females) and I also have a huge rusty black rat that someone gave him as a "big corn we don't want anymore". And he has a small clutch of grey rat eggs that, if they hatch, he will give me a mate for the grey rat pictured.
he's new to breeding corns and rats so I've been helping him with that and he's been getting me some cool wild caughts.
one of the Jackson Co. adult female corns..

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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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The rusty rat otherwise known as the "big corn I don't want anymore"

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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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LOL!!,...WOW!,.....not bad for just a "big ol' corn he didn't want anymore"!..LOL!

That thing is awesome looking!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Very cool Jimmy!. Yeah, that is handy as heck to have a friend that comes across all those wild-caughts for you!

~Doug
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"a snake in the grass is a GOOD thing"

my website -serpentinespecialties.webs.com

Nice looking ratsnake Draybar. I cannot understand why the herpetological community chooses to call a mostly black ratsnake a "Grey Ratsnake". What an insult to the true "Grey Ratsnakes" of the deep south. Just a very large intergrade area bounded by Black and Grey Ratsnake ranges.

>>Nice looking ratsnake Draybar. I cannot understand why the herpetological community chooses to call a mostly black ratsnake a "Grey Ratsnake". What an insult to the true "Grey Ratsnakes" of the deep south. Just a very large intergrade area bounded by Black and Grey Ratsnake ranges.

I guess that's why there has been a lean towards classifying all the obsoletas under three species, Elaphe obsoleta (Western Rat Snake), Elaphe spilodes (Midland Rat Snake), and Elaphe appalachiensis (Eastern Rat Snake)

which I couldn't disagree with more...just doesn't work.

back to the rat pictured I would really lean more towards grey/black intergrade.
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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Agreed with your entire post. Taxonomists will eventually do something with the Genus because.....that's what they do. That Black Rat / Grey Rat / whole lot of intergrade thing works for me. Never be anything nicer than a plain ole "White Oak Runner" to say Grey Ratsnake.

>>Agreed with your entire post. Taxonomists will eventually do something with the Genus because.....that's what they do. That Black Rat / Grey Rat / whole lot of intergrade thing works for me. Never be anything nicer than a plain ole "White Oak Runner" to say Grey Ratsnake.

I would love to have a nice pair of beautiful, light grey white oaks. just need the room for more snakes...lol
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Corn snakes and rat snakes...No one can have just one.
"Resistance is futile"
Jimmy Johnson
(Draybar)
Draybars Snakes

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